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Mysterious mass grave found on site of refugee centre

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#21 - 2013-08-25 08:21:16 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
I'd suggest moving the remains to a temple and having a priest perform funeral rites.

I believe there are Minmatar who practice the Faith.


Yeah, but any who admit it publicly end up becoming remains themselves. All in the name of "Freedom™," of course.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#22 - 2013-08-30 05:06:23 UTC
Why, oh why, did I unblock Luftschreck's last post...?

Luftschreck, you should note that while there are sporadic incidents involving various forms of discrimination (including physical violence) perpetrated against those who practice your religion in the Republic, there are no widespread, systematic pogroms? You realize that Matari do not carry out campaigns of religious persecution? By your logic I could extrapolate that the negative behavior of a minority, like the Blooders, represent all of Amarr. I know better, however.

Your continued biased and hatred fueled diatribes against us don't serve to enforce your opinions. They only serve to make you appear foolish and cause people to ignore them.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#23 - 2013-08-30 05:56:36 UTC
I'm sorry Rella...

Does Abel Jarek ring any bells?

-Eran
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#24 - 2013-08-30 11:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyllsa Siikanen
Eran Mintor wrote:
I'm sorry Rella...

Does Abel Jarek ring any bells?

-Eran


So, hold on while i interpret this.

One time in the past... well, ever, a violent hate crime was committed here, and then widely publicized - rightly so, by the way - in the name of Religion, and you think it signifies our whole society.

However:

The Empire has done nothing but commit vile hate crimes in the name of Religion, on a scale tens of orders of magnitude larger, since - well, forever - and that's just ducky?

Many here do follow the Amarr faith, some quite openly.

Prostelytization (sp) of the Amarrian faith is - for obvious reasons - universally despised. This does not make the crime commited against Jarek right. It also does not make Jarek's actions any less stupid. If I went to Amarr and began preaching *my* faith, I'm sure no harm would come to me, eh? I should not behave as though I know better?

In other words:

If I am playing in the park near the railroad tracks, and a train derails and kills me, shame on the railroad company.

If i am playing on the tracks themselves, telling myself "I can step out of the way when a train comes", then miscalculate the time required and a train kills me... who's fault is that?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#25 - 2013-08-30 17:07:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Eran Mintor wrote:
I'm sorry Rella...

Does Abel Jarek ring any bells?

-Eran


I recall that singular coldly calculated act on the part of the imperials to manipulate a dangerous situation for political advantage quite well. However, I refuse to rise to your obvious bait, Mintor. I stand by my previous post. It's logically flawed to judge an entire group of people based on the (atypical) actions of a few members of that group. What's more, you know better but, continue to flog this fallacy anyway. Shame on you.

I'll just refer you to what Kyllsa wrote and leave it at that.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#26 - 2013-08-31 10:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
It's easy to say that actions are representative of a minority when only a handful of people commit them, but it's quite obvious when the majority allows such actions and takes no issue with it, and perhaps even supports it, that it is in fact representative of a majority.

You say it was clear such a thing would happen because it [Abel Jarek] is someone preaching the Amarr faith in the Republic. Yet it makes no difference to anyone that it's a Matari preaching the Amarr faith, which intrigues me.

I feel like a double standard is being made here. Republicans make such a grand show when a few Matari are killed or abused, regardless of if they're Republican or not, but should they believe in the Amarr faith, they are just being foolish or baiting aggression; surely deserving of any abuse.

It disturbs me because when I was growing up I did (and still do) believe in God. Not that I follow nor ever did follow the Amarr faith, but it made little difference to any Matari. My family was so easily connected to preachings of Amarr that I endured much abuse growing up after a certain point in my life, resulting in my expulsion from the RMS due to me physically punching my instructor because of disgusting remarks he made against my family.

Needless to say, I breached the rules of my faith in that moment. but anger and adrenaline can be your worst enemy sometimes.

So no, it's not "one time in the past" that a hate crime was committed. It's all the time. Why do you think so many 9th Generation Slaves decide to remain in the Empire? It's not only because they feel the Republic is foreign, but because Republicans treat the Faithful with distrust and hate. There are many examples of this if you only open your eyes.

With that said, it does not signify "our whole society," but it certainly represents the 'mob mentality.'

Anyways, the Republic had an opportunity when Abel Jarek came. They chose to make an example of Abel by showing no bit of Amarr culture would be tolerated. This example was made both by the 'mob' and the law enforcements lack of care towards punishing the killers.

You can go to the Empire and preach about the Spirits but I can assure you that you won't get assassinated by Amarr. At the most you'd be exiled, at the least you would be called names and scoffed at. The toleration of Republicans, despite our praise of the many cultures of Matar, does not allow for every opinion and belief. Many thoughts and beliefs are scorned upon which makes me feel that many voices are being muffled.

-Eran
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#27 - 2013-09-12 12:37:33 UTC
The last I checked, actually, practice of any religion save the orthodox Amarrian one within the Empire was a crime.

Or are Blood Raiders and EoM no longer branded heretics?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#28 - 2013-09-12 22:43:59 UTC
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2013-09-13 01:21:49 UTC
I think we should all take a second and realize we're having two different discussions. There are a few points here that are facts:

A: There are a lot of Matari practicing the Amarrian faith in Matari space.

B: Those Matari face varying amounts of discrimination.

C: Those Matari not practicing the faith are, for the most part, indifferent to both points A and B. Exceptions exist in both cases.

D. Because of points B and C, most Matari who practice the faith live in separate enclaves and colonies, or they hide their faith.

That's essentially the situation I've run into. For the most part, I think the most common reason the Matari are suspicious of other Matari who practice the Word is because of their experience being betrayed into slavery by collaborators. There are a few who honestly want to erase those practitioners for personal vendettas, and it is that few who are responsible for the vast majority of atrocities targeting the Lord's children abroad.

To their eternal credit, I think the violent minority is overshadowed by a larger, vocal minority of Matari who do care about the plight of their believer brethren and find the violence against them abhorrent. I think it keeps better with the Minmatar tradition of sticking together even when you don't agree.

Still, I spend a lot of time trying to help small colonies of believers and speaking with people who are very afraid for their lives. It only takes a small group of vigilantes who decide you are a threat to wreak serious havoc on your vital crops. For the most part, Matari of the faith are very quiet and will travel vast distances under false pretenses for intermittent confessions with an Amarrian priest. It is unfortunate that this is necessary, considering how dangerous travel is and how likely a Minmatar believer is to be pirated or captured. Not everyone who believes wants to be a slave again, and honestly if they can believe in a place like Matari space so far from the center of the Empire, they don't need to be slaves ever again.

To say nothing of being picked up by the Blood Raiders or other mentioned groups who don't necessarily view servitude with the same ends.

It is one of the reasons I travel. Better I risk things that are replaceable to go to them rather than having them risk their irreplaceable lives by coming to us. Believers are a sacred, precious commodity, and all their lives are valuable to the Lord.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#30 - 2013-09-13 08:47:46 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


To their eternal credit, I think the violent minority is overshadowed by a larger, vocal minority of Matari who do care about the plight of their believer brethren and find the violence against them abhorrent.


This is strange because I have never seen any evidence of this nor experienced it yet in my lifetime.

-Eran
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2013-09-13 22:14:22 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:


To their eternal credit, I think the violent minority is overshadowed by a larger, vocal minority of Matari who do care about the plight of their believer brethren and find the violence against them abhorrent.


This is strange because I have never seen any evidence of this nor experienced it yet in my lifetime.

-Eran


I've seen quite a bit of it in my travels, essentially because it isn't a large percentage of Matari who equate killing a Minmatar who shares the faith with killing an Amarrian. I'd say it's a lot easier to justify killing us when they justify it at all, but killing a Matari over his faith still seems like murder.

I suppose it depends on where you are in the cluster, though. I'm assuming less lawful areas of space also have civilians who make their own laws to fill the gap. I spend a lot of time evacuating people to more stable colonies in space with higher security.

I think I know what you're talking about, though. If I am wrong and you are talking about the phenomenon throughout the interior of the Republic as well, I apologize. I am only speaking from my own experiences.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Vikarion
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-09-13 23:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#33 - 2013-09-13 23:47:06 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.


I was refering to Caldari living in the Empire. I don't believe it has everything to do with your navy but it would probably help to be powerful.

Baracca, I was talking about the interior of the Republic as well as other colonies, but no need to apologize. I could have made things clearer.

-Eran

Vikarion
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-09-14 00:14:39 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.


I was refering to Caldari living in the Empire. I don't believe it has everything to do with your navy but it would probably help to be powerful.

Baracca, I was talking about the interior of the Republic as well as other colonies, but no need to apologize. I could have made things clearer.

-Eran



By definition, there are no Caldari in the Empire. If you are not a Citizen of the Megacorporations or (rarely) another State institution, you are not Caldari. To be Caldari is to embrace the culture and traditions of the Caldari, including employment in a State corporation. There are Caldari of Civire and Deteis ancestry, Achuran Caldari, and Caldari of Intaki, Gallente, Khanid, and even True Amarr ancestry. But there are no Caldari outside the State and its institutions. Ever.
Zsaryna Adrelana
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-09-14 00:22:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zsaryna Adrelana
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.


I was refering to Caldari living in the Empire. I don't believe it has everything to do with your navy but it would probably help to be powerful.

Baracca, I was talking about the interior of the Republic as well as other colonies, but no need to apologize. I could have made things clearer.

-Eran



By definition, there are no Caldari in the Empire. If you are not a Citizen of the Megacorporations or (rarely) another State institution, you are not Caldari. To be Caldari is to embrace the culture and traditions of the Caldari, including employment in a State corporation. There are Caldari of Civire and Deteis ancestry, Achuran Caldari, and Caldari of Intaki, Gallente, Khanid, and even True Amarr ancestry. But there are no Caldari outside the State and its institutions. Ever.



Of course.
Because Caldari never have extraterritorial outposts and stations in territory that isn't thier own. Likewise the Caldari sailors who were cross training our Khanate colleagues can't have been working for the State. Furthermore, State outposts in Matari territory must be staffed by Matari, and the nice young man from Zainou who sold me a new leg must have been using false representation.

I do this for many reasons. I do it because I believe it is right. I do it because I will profit by it. These all consolidate into one reason: I do it because I can.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#36 - 2013-09-14 00:23:43 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.


I was refering to Caldari living in the Empire. I don't believe it has everything to do with your navy but it would probably help to be powerful.

Baracca, I was talking about the interior of the Republic as well as other colonies, but no need to apologize. I could have made things clearer.

-Eran



By definition, there are no Caldari in the Empire. If you are not a Citizen of the Megacorporations or (rarely) another State institution, you are not Caldari. To be Caldari is to embrace the culture and traditions of the Caldari, including employment in a State corporation. There are Caldari of Civire and Deteis ancestry, Achuran Caldari, and Caldari of Intaki, Gallente, Khanid, and even True Amarr ancestry. But there are no Caldari outside the State and its institutions. Ever.


Really...so you mean to say all the Caldari stations owned by Caldari corporations are not inhabited by Caldari? I could understand if you meant to say those stations are considered property of the State but realistically it's still in the Empire. There are also Caldari living in he Empire outside of those stations who still work for the State and/or follow Caldari values. To say no Caldari live in the Empire is naive if not a flat out lie.

-Eran
Vikarion
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-09-14 00:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Vikarion
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.


I was refering to Caldari living in the Empire. I don't believe it has everything to do with your navy but it would probably help to be powerful.

Baracca, I was talking about the interior of the Republic as well as other colonies, but no need to apologize. I could have made things clearer.

-Eran



By definition, there are no Caldari in the Empire. If you are not a Citizen of the Megacorporations or (rarely) another State institution, you are not Caldari. To be Caldari is to embrace the culture and traditions of the Caldari, including employment in a State corporation. There are Caldari of Civire and Deteis ancestry, Achuran Caldari, and Caldari of Intaki, Gallente, Khanid, and even True Amarr ancestry. But there are no Caldari outside the State and its institutions. Ever.


Really...so you mean to say all the Caldari stations owned by Caldari corporations are not inhabited by Caldari? I could understand if you meant to say those stations are considered property of the State but realistically it's still in the Empire. There are also Caldari living in he Empire outside of those stations who still work for the State and/or follow Caldari values. To say no Caldari live in the Empire is naive if not a flat out lie.

-Eran


Did you bother to read what I wrote, or just indulge in standard straw-manning? I stated that to "be Caldari is to embrace the culture and traditions of the Caldari, including employment in a State corporation".

I did not make a statement of geographical location. Moreover, it's well known that Caldari stations are just that: Caldari Stations. Just as Amarrian stations are just that. But the point is that Caldari do not live as citizens of the Empire, or under Empire law. Even while inside the Empire in a consulting role, they operate as agents of the Megas. How can I say that? Well, for instance, Caldari religious traditions are prohibited under Imperial law, along with all other religious traditions save the Amarrian one. This information is readily available from your nearest Gal-Net hub - try searching for an article called "Demographics of the Amarr Empire".

There are no Caldari outside the State and its institutions. Ever.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-09-14 03:30:02 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
EoM and Sani Sabik are extremists and not the best examples. However, I never said that you'd be very accepted by many Amarr however the Caldari have managed to find out how to coexist while having their own religious/spiritual beliefs.

-Eran


Yes, we have the most powerful navy in the cluster. This has proven most effective at ensuring the non-Amarrization of our culture. I recommend it to anyone who desires to remain Amarrian-free.


I was refering to Caldari living in the Empire. I don't believe it has everything to do with your navy but it would probably help to be powerful.

Baracca, I was talking about the interior of the Republic as well as other colonies, but no need to apologize. I could have made things clearer.

-Eran



Actually, I would be rather interested in hearing your personal findings or some examples if you have time. Not to derail the thread for any length of time, but that cuts to the core of what I have dedicated the last few years to. I have every interest in helping members of the faith who find themselves persecuted in their own space to either return to Amarrian space or find a colony of other followers in their own space. At the very least, I like to let them know they are not alone.

Certainly, I would not mention names, considering that the question is not that the danger of lethal persecution exists has been answered. I only examine how much or how little, how much resistance it meets, and how to best deal with it.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#39 - 2013-09-14 03:38:53 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
(Removed for space)


Dear sir,

My biggest pet-peeve that has come up lately on the IGS is this labeling of "straw-man arguments" when they are, in-fact, not. I don't know why this term is so trendy, or why it's assumed to be the trump-card of the year, but if you're going to use it, use it properly.

For one, I did indeed read your post. If I didn't, I surely wouldn't have bothered to reply.

Secondly, I did not use any such "straw-man argument" but rather your own words, mainly the last two sentences of your post; the same two sentences you replied with in your last post.

Vikarion wrote:
There are no Caldari outside the State and its institutions. Ever.


The first assumption I made when I read these statements is that you believed no true Caldari resides outside the State and the mega-corps ownings, thereby not in the borders of the Empire. Since I do not consider you to be a fool, I then took the better meaning of your words and, instead, assumed you meant that the Caldari living in Empire space aboard Caldari stations are considered to be living in the "Caldari State." Since this is in a way true, I then addressed the fact that these stations are still within Empire borders.

However, these Caldari are not only living on stations owned by mega-corporations but also on colonies and other locations owned by the Empire. Please do not confuse the word "living" as I mean it in the same way that "residing" means. Perhaps that is where some confusion arises due to translation software.

First, using the reference* you provided, lets address the Caldari living in the Empire. I quote:

Quote:
Individuals of other ethnicities have settled in the Empire for a variety of reasons since the empires first came into contact with each other. Most commonly, they converted willingly to the Amarr faith and moved to the Empire in an effort to more easily worship. Additionally, traders and merchants from the other empires have at times managed to break into the rather insular Imperial markets and have relocated to help their businesses flourish, particularly in the Tash-Murkon region. As a condition of citizenship, these traders are required to convert to the Amarr religion, though many become nonpracticing following completion of their conversion.

Of the bloodlines, the Civire are most numerous, followed closely by the Deteis, Intaki, and Achura. Smaller, but still significant, numbers of ethnic Gallente, Mannar, and Jin-Mei live in the Empire as well. Because many of them have support from relatives in their native empires, they tend to be rather well off compared to the typical commoner in the Empire, though they are often treated with suspicion and outright hostility by the indigenous population.


The emphasis is my own, but you certainly aren't required to become a citizen to do business in, or reside in the Empire. Should you choose to become a citizen, then officially you must convert. However, there are even ways to own property without having to be a citizen as is obvious through the multitude of Caldari stations in the Empire. Furthermore, there are citizens who do not follow the faith.

Which brings us to the next point; let's address the issue of foreign religions, with the help of your own resource* once more. I quote:

Quote:
Following the Amarr religion is a legal requirement of all citizens of the Amarr Empire, meaning all citizens of the Amarr Empire are de jure followers of the Amarr faith. Anyone born to a citizen of the Empire is assumed to follow the faith, while those immigrating to the Empire must prove their faith through a series of religious trials before being granted citizenship. Slaves are also expected to be brought up as believers by their overseers.

...

Some portion of immigrants who entered the Empire as workers and traders rather than converts retain their old religions despite officially converting. Many lower class Amarr often assume any immigrant is guilty of this. The number of immigrants who actually violate the law by actively practicing another religion is thought to be rather low.

Among slaves, the belief in different religions is much higher. Many Minmatar secretly practice old tribal customs and participate in shamanism in secret. Some Holders who view their slaves merely as disposable labor simply do not care and allow their slaves to practice freely as long as they remain discrete about it, as a Holder who allows his slaves to openly violate the law are liable for severe punishment.

The exact numbers of apostasy and heresy (as the crime of following another religion in the Empire is referred to) are difficult to come by, as the Amarr typically suppress actual statistics and there remains a reporting bias, with few willing to openly admit they break the law even anonymously.


Again, the emphasis is mine. However, let's think about this. It's important to note that you do not have to be a citizen of the Empire to reside there, whether it's temporary or permanently. Certainly citizenship has it's benefits if you want to remain but it is not required. If it was, it would put many, such as diplomats or foreign business representatives, into an awkward position. Regardless, there are ways to practice your own religion without being considered a heretic, ie. not being an Amarr citizen.

Now to address your emphasis at the end of your last post-you would be one of few to think all Caldari must be employed by a mega-corp and it's institutions. What of the Mordu's Legion, as an example? These Caldari ex-patriates are no longer Caldari in your mind?

-Eran

Note: * This source of yours isn't always the most credible. However, to my knowledge this is good information.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#40 - 2013-09-14 04:00:04 UTC
Finishing the subject in my above post as I ran out of space, I think Vikarion and I are actually saying much of the same thing in different ways while misunderstanding each other, however I am assuming we are not for the sake of clarity and explanation.

Moving along...

Constantin Baracca wrote:
Actually, I would be rather interested in hearing your personal findings or some examples if you have time. Not to derail the thread for any length of time, but that cuts to the core of what I have dedicated the last few years to. I have every interest in helping members of the faith who find themselves persecuted in their own space to either return to Amarrian space or find a colony of other followers in their own space. At the very least, I like to let them know they are not alone.

Certainly, I would not mention names, considering that the question is not that the danger of lethal persecution exists has been answered. I only examine how much or how little, how much resistance it meets, and how to best deal with it.


To keep it short I will explain a few things with minimal details.

I was born in raised in the Republic. I grew up on Eram II among the remaining (albeit small) Mintor-Brutor tribe clan alongside the Bastor-Sebiestor tribe clan. These two clans follow a faith similar to the Amarrian one, yet different in some key ways. Without getting into that too much, I will move on in this brief recollection.

Catastrophe struck Eram II and many of us were enslaved by mercenaries. Upon my liberation and return to the Republic, I was living with my cousins in Yrmori, the neighboring system, aboard the Core Complexion Inc. Factory orbiting Yrmori IV - Moon 17. Needless to say, the demographics of this station (ie. diversity) where much different than the small colony the two clans I grew up with had on Eram II. Though I did not follow the Amarr faith, the fact I mentioned I believed in God and held many similar beliefs to Amarrian ways got me into a lot of trouble. Namely, I was beat up and ridiculed. However, to the more extreme, my cousin was nearly killed when a mob of Brutor jumped him for praying in a public space aboard the station. The local authorities gave little merit to the crime committed and pretty much shrugged it off for they believed "he should've known better."

There are many more examples I could give. I am aware some may believe the same would happen if a non-believer of the Amarr faith prayed or practiced in the Empire. However, given that I've lived off-and-on in the Empire borders for the past three years, I personally cannot attest to this. I have been tolerated, though not completely accepted, and have met no ridicule or beatings like I did growing up. Certainly, one could still argue that this treatment of God-believing men and women in the Republic is only because youth are misguided and quick to act irrational but, I should point out the result of Abel Jarek once more to show it is not limited to any certain group.

Source

Some food for thought.

-Eran
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