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Mysterious mass grave found on site of refugee centre

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Constantly Outraged Sebiestor
Gutter Press
#1 - 2013-08-18 13:41:41 UTC
Excavations for the construction of a new refugee reception and education centre on Matar have uncovered a mysterious discovery. A mass grave full of what appear to be hundreds of thousands of Amarrian skeletons.

"When the excavators started pulling up skulls, we stopped to allow the shamans to take a look", said one construction worker.
"We thought it was another massacre site by the Imperials, during the Uprising", said another. "Didn't want to upset the spirits of the dead, you know?"
"Then the shaman said there were no restless spirits there, which was weird, so we got a couple scientists from the Republic University to take a look, and they said the bodies were Amarr, and some Ni-Kunni and stuff like that." Said a third worker.
"Makes no sense to any of us, everyone knows that at the Uprising, all the Amarr civilians were evacuated." said another.

With the origin of these skeletons remaining unknown, the question is raised about what to do with them.

"Should grind them up for fertiliser and shell propellant" said one Sebiestor citizen. "Not like they have any vengeful spirits that'd haunt us, is it?"
"We should ransom them to the Empire", said a Brutor citizen. "One skeleton, for the freedom of a million slaves. That'll end their current war of aggression against the Republic."
"Who cares, they deserved it", said a Krusual citizen.

An Amarrian scholar had this to say about the discovery. "When the Rebellion started, the savages murdered millions of Imperial civilians, some of the younger women were assaulted then murdered, so, it is no surprise that they try and cover this up, and pretend these murders never happened. They really think the Empire evacuated all the civilians? Ludicrous"

A group of Republic university students denied that this was the case. "Amarrians try and pin the blame on Minmatar for anything. I bet these bodies were put there by the Empire, to discredit the Minmatar. The Empire evacuated all the civilians. That's what the history books say, that's what happened. Any claims of massacres are Imperial lies."

Until these skeletons are dealt with, the construction of the refugee reception centre is unable to continue on schedule, causing difficulties for thousands of refugees trying to find a new life on Matar.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-08-18 17:37:07 UTC
I for see a drop in duct tape an glue prices.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#3 - 2013-08-19 14:25:40 UTC
Minmatar, eh? Can't live with them, don't have to.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#4 - 2013-08-19 15:38:29 UTC
I hope that further research is carried out so that we can determine the truth of what happened to these people. As an aside, it would show goodwill on the part of the Republic if they offered to return the remains to the proper Imperial authorities.


P.S. Valete please quit posting. You never add anything to a discussion and your constant snarky jabs have long since grown tiresome. Go drink some blood or something and leave the rest of us to have an adult conversation (at least as adult as we seem to be able to manage on the IGS).
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#5 - 2013-08-19 15:51:01 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
I hope that further research is carried out so that we can determine the truth of what happened to these people. As an aside, it would show goodwill on the part of the Republic if they offered to return the remains to the proper Imperial authorities.


Personally, I would say it would be a better idea to get a corroborating source from an established and less sensational "news" service. Not saying this discovery isn't genuine, but Gutter Press isn't exactly renowned as source of Serious Journalism.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#6 - 2013-08-19 21:53:46 UTC
Are you sure this is the Gutter Press?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2013-08-20 00:27:21 UTC
Gallente People are Uncomfortable with the Fact that Federal Tax Money funded these Mass Murders.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#8 - 2013-08-20 07:27:05 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Are you sure this is the Gutter Press?


Given that the Original Poster openly shows "Gutter Press" as their Corporation, I would say Yes.
Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#9 - 2013-08-20 09:57:52 UTC
Many Holders from that time period are still around, as are their immediate descendants. It's not ancient history to them, and they know the truth of what happened.
That is, Gallente funds paid for weapons for the slave revolt, and training for the terrorists leading the rebellion, and so, bear some of the responsibility for the results.
Conventional Minmatar rebellion doctrine blames the Holders for any alleged offences against the Minmatar people, and yet the leaders of the rebellion made the decision to murder millions of civilians, and a mere thousands of Holders. Ethnic Cleansing, possibly something they learned from the Gallente who were trying to exterminate the Caldari people at the time.

So, with these facts, then when the Gallente politicians and the Minmatar politicians try and say things like "The Federation only wants peace", or that "The Minmatar are not savages, we are civilised", then those words fall upon the metaphorically deaf ears of people who lived through actual experience of the complete opposite.

Maybe in four hundred years, as living memory fades, there'll be Holders who won't have encountered backstabbing lying Gallente, or murderous savage Minmatar, but that's a long way off.

Any peace is therefore going to be on the Empire's terms, not those of the Gallente or the Minmatar. Their betrayals have led to this state of affairs. But, given their much shorter lifespans, their populations won't know why, and are fed on the lies of false history books, as you can see, where they claim the massacres never happened.

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/

Nashuar Attor
Rat Kings Crew
#10 - 2013-08-20 10:43:27 UTC
I don't know why anybody is surprised at this discovery. As a race we where enslaved for centuries. When you take people and turn them into animals thats just what you get. Everything was taken away from us. We barely had a culture when we finally regained our freedom. As a race we where subjugated, whipped, abused, murdered, by a people who believed it was their right to do these things to us.
As I said when you treat people like animals, you get animals, and like any animal backed into a corner we eventually fought back. The taste of blood would have been sweet when the rebellion started. Centuries of pent up anger, hatred, frustration and shame would have been vented. The tide of revenge would have been impossible to hold back.
It is a direct result of how we where treated. The suffering that was forced upon us would have been in no way redeemed by this.

Do not act surprised.

You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#11 - 2013-08-20 15:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Savage people with savage natures. This is the nature of war and the product nature of reclaiming. We mourn in different ways, some more barbaric than others.

While many can point fingers over both fronts, all one can hope is when enough blood is shed that people can find their peace. At least the people resting in this grave did not have to live to see such times. At the same time, were these civilians the only hope for a better future? Possibly. It's what we gamble to find peace.

There is one fact that remains the same regardless. Those who commit atrocity, especially an atrocity of this scale, they carry the faces of each person buried here with them.

Even in space, when you tear into and/or catch an ammunition reserve on your target, and the vessel tears itself apart from the inside far premature than the crew is able to evacuate. You may not see their faces but you will feel their screams silently as if the target vessel was your own. Such is the price of you being able to feel a vessel and all those within it. You remember. You carry those names. You go numb in time, such is the mercy of your ways. But very much is your soul inexistent and you lack capacity to stare into a mirror too long before breaking down.

Even the dropsuit mercenary carries this price. Should he strike down mortals or immortals, those cursed to come back simply have a greater opportunity to have their face be remembered. He can feel their fight leaving them, like a predator feeling the final moments of its prey, he can feel their fight leaving them, the life fleeing a little more with each death, until the foe is but a mass grave of a single reaped mind.

You carry your victims with you, should you like it or not. They live on through you, inspiring greater, or never letting you live down your worst. There is no peace for you, until death or have somehow lived twice the life. Bloodlust only builds your immunity for the moment, yet you cannot wear your armor forever.

Sooner or later, the women and children will kill you, over and over in your sleep, their faces ever-visible in others, unforgettable. They'll make sure of it.

And you will deserve it.

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#12 - 2013-08-20 19:05:25 UTC
Still less bodies than there are to be found on Starkman Prime, I bet.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2013-08-20 19:44:16 UTC
It's the height of hypocrisy that the imperials are attempting to make an issue of this, as yet unsubstantiated report, considering the numbers of documented deaths they were directly responsible for across the entire cluster. I'm especially surprised to see normally moderate imperials like Louella Dougans jumping on the bashing bandwagon.

We have nothing right now except for an unverified report in a tabloid media outlet. I'd advise imperial supporters to wait until we have some actual hard evidence to look at before making any judgements. Doing otherwise just reveals your bias.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Louella Dougans
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#14 - 2013-08-21 22:00:48 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
It's the height of hypocrisy that the imperials are attempting to make an issue of this, as yet unsubstantiated report, considering the numbers of documented deaths they were directly responsible for across the entire cluster. I'm especially surprised to see normally moderate imperials like Louella Dougans jumping on the bashing bandwagon.

We have nothing right now except for an unverified report in a tabloid media outlet. I'd advise imperial supporters to wait until we have some actual hard evidence to look at before making any judgements. Doing otherwise just reveals your bias.


Yeah, well, my point was like, Gallente and Minmatar people, read about stuff in history books. Books which the government sometimes interferes with. The Black Eagles were up to no good with that sort of thing recently.

In contrast, Amarr people, well, some of them are still around that were around at the time. Like, my granddad fought in the Minmatar Rebellion. For the Imperial Army, before anyone says something daft. So like, it's not in history books, its stuff that you can learn about from older relatives and so on.

So, like trying to convince Granddad about something, it's just not going to happen easily is it ?

Be a Space Nun, it is fun. \o/

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#15 - 2013-08-22 08:53:23 UTC
I'd suggest moving the remains to a temple and having a priest perform funeral rites.

I believe there are Minmatar who practice the Faith.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#16 - 2013-08-22 09:16:49 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
It's the height of hypocrisy that the imperials are attempting to make an issue of this, as yet unsubstantiated report, considering the numbers of documented deaths they were directly responsible for across the entire cluster. I'm especially surprised to see normally moderate imperials like Louella Dougans jumping on the bashing bandwagon.

We have nothing right now except for an unverified report in a tabloid media outlet. I'd advise imperial supporters to wait until we have some actual hard evidence to look at before making any judgements. Doing otherwise just reveals your bias.


Personally, I won't be even remotely surprised if the report turns out to be true. We committed atrocities against you, you reciprocated. Human nature at work. It's not worth making an issue of, because it's all regrettable history with no moral high ground to speak of.

Makkal's suggestion is laudable, but unfortunately, highly unlikely to occur.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#17 - 2013-08-22 13:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#18 - 2013-08-22 13:59:39 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
The question of which faith would arise. Most Minmatar follow the ways of the elder tribes, their faith far from the envisioned apex of single god in the Empire. You'd be sparking future fire by having a priest from that faith present.

No, that question would not arise.

Far be it from me to suggest someone actually read something put out by Gutter Press or take it with anything less than a freighter-load of salt, but if you had stopped trying to be dark and edgy long enough to have actually done so you would have noticed that the bodies in the supposed grave were stated to be Amarrian, not Minmatar.

There are still many who live in the Republic who follow and practice the Amarrian faith. Yes, they are a minority. Yes, they are frequently harassed or openly persecuted by others. No, that does not mean they do not exist or would not be available.

The question it does raise, is whether people would be capable of being mature enough to just let people get it over with quickly so everyone could just get on with their lives.

Of course, that question I think we all know the answer to, given the marked inclination towards perpetuating stereotypes.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#19 - 2013-08-22 14:29:32 UTC
You're absolutely right. For a moment where I made that statement I thought I was in another topic, forgive me.

Will edit response blank of content.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#20 - 2013-08-22 22:26:10 UTC
Unless your grandfather was present for this alleged incident the fact that he, or other elder Amarr, were alive during the Rebellion means nothing, Louella. But, if he witnessed the event personally and could produce evidence of its occurrence in the form of holos, photos, audio recordings, media accounts, etc. that would be a different situation. That would be hard evidence that could be studied and verified. Unless such evidence surfaces all we have is rumor and conjecture.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

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