Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So you have options, but don't wish to use them because it messes with your fit, or is too expensive?

OK then, I see the issue here.

WCS already nerf your combat ability to the point where they they're really only suitable for travel anyway, so no. Just because someone comes up with a strategy or tactic for one aspect of the game (FW) doesn't mean we need to screw with the game mechanics for the rest. Run two scrams or bring a buddy with you. Honestly, some of you people are entirely too lazy.

Choice and consequence.
You want to have your cake and eat it too.

This.

If you are unwilling to exercise the game mechanics provided to you to counteract the game mechanics being used by your target you don't really have a leg to stand on. Complaining about the price of mod is akin to saying you really didn't want that kill anyway. As pointed out, stabs seriously gimp the combat ability of the ship you're trying to catch. Find some method other than complaining to the Dev because the kills aren't easy enough.

Old adage but still applies; You win some you lose some.


It appears at this point that someone is out smarting you though.

Honestly i just call that being smart and planning ahead. The pilot probably knows that he is not properly fit for a pvp situation, and for most situations he will be outnumbered/outgunned.

He's not playing unfair he's playing smart. You need to try and play smarter.

I think citing The Mitten is the local Godwin's Law.

No.

On top of making attacking your enemy while they do sites futile it's an inelegant and annoying thing to deal with.

Says the high sec carebear

While I do think some change for this issue is better than no change, here is a small proposal to help fix the fairly big FW farmer problem, but one that does not involve an artificial change to FW plexes to not allow ships with warp core stabs into them (a change that I would be in favor of as opposed to no change at all, though).

The proposal is simple: an overheated scram/disruptor triples its warp scramble strength. This is more "organic" in that it adds to the game's meta without simply banning certain mods in certain places etc. Yet it also gives people a way to temporarily fight ships with warp core stabs. (This also makes smarting-bombing BS camps more vulnerable.)

If that is too meta-shifting, there are other more organic solutions CCP could implement (there are a lot of proposals on FW floating around that would lessen the farming problem). E.g., the above idea of making it so that you cannot warp out of a FW site is cool, though the farmers will simply move to cloaks rather than stabs in that case.

The problem is partly the imbalance of risk/reward. On the occasions I kill a farmer with WCS (e.g., in a dual scram LML bomber) the cost of their ship is rarely above 1m. They are set back by a few minutes of 100m+ farming an hour on decent days. If you think about investment/risk relative to reward, FW farming is in a class of its own in EVE. To allow some usefulness to WCS, T2 WCS could be both made more expensive and given a buff to warp core strength so that a ship with 4 T2 WCS cannot be pointed by a ship with one overheated scram--however, this would, at least, require more training time to get the T2 WCS and more ISK investment/risk.

This would have the advantage of making both "serious" plex farming (using T2 WCS) and killing serious WCS farmers in specialized ships a mini-profession of its own, advantageous for both sides.

WCS suck but deal with it. The snowflakes in FW need to learn to deal with it the way the rest of have learned. At least you didn't suggest 'pirates can't enter plexes' for an idea...