EVE General Discussion

…but total SP does not, because it doesn't factor into anything other than the cost of your clone. So even though you called me wrong on something I never said, you come out very close to saying the same thing as me and thus being right:
The amount almost doesn't matter at all; the placement matters a lot, and total SP — the one thing newer players can't “catch up” with — is completely irrelevant.

So as luck would have it, I'm not only not wrong, but you agree with me and are just confused by your own strawman.

This raises a valid point. To pay for loses .

Dear CCP,

Are you happy with the current player base ?
Is 20 to 30 thousand players at any one time enough ?
Is losing more than 90% of new players within the first 2 months ok ?

Answer yes then ignore this post.

I think my time in Eve is over, while traversing a 0.4 region to get to a level II mission giver, to increase my standings, so I could install jump clones, I got podded (first time). Second time in a lowsec region I think, yes this happens all the time, yes it was my decision to go through the gate; but the relevance for me was how I felt. Empty, like when my grandpa died, a deep felling of loss and I began to question why I was playing Eve at all. I did not feel angry or upset, or care about the loss of the ship and isk. I have a second account that mines while I play the main, I can easily replace the ship 10 times over. The significance is the empty feeling, I have never experienced that in any other game.

I read a post that said over 90% of new players quit Eve in the first 2 months, didn’t think I would be in that group, stayed in hisec, built up my skill levels, built up isk reserves, intended to try the less secure systems, eventually, learnt how everything fitted together, bought and sold on the market. Now I don’t know if I want to play, I knew I would lose ships and get podded, eventually, that is part of the game mechanics; but it is how I felt when it happened for real that surprised to me. I have lost ships running NPC missions, that wasn’t the same, I was trying to kill them and they me; the podding last night was me minding my own business and accidently running into a gate camp, someone elses little war. Strange that I felt the way I did, still trying to understand my feelings.

With respect to how the game works and the questions to CCP, my assumption is that CCP are happy to lose over 90% of new players, otherwise they would change the game. But if they wanted to keep new players the flaws I see in the game are core to the game mechanics and would be difficult to change.

Skill training is simply too long. To have the ability to compete with older players, six months to a year of real time may not be enough.

Skills are too many and too complex, it is difficult to determine the training path necessary for what you want to do. (I wasted over 2 weeks training skills I didn’t need to at the time)

System travel, while realistic, is simply too long. Over half an hour of real time to travel less than 20 jumps is a waste of my game time.

Too few NPC missions, and none that teach you relevant skills. But that is another story.

Please don’t see this as a complaint, or QQ because I got podded.
I just want to relate my Eve experience. Of all the games I have played Eve has the most potential and is the closest to a true sandbox. I just don’t feel motivated any more.

Cheers

I really do have to wonder how they don't get in legal trouble for false advertisement. They totally sell it as a completely different game than what it is in reality.

EVE Online is advertised as a "Sandbox MMO." Sandbox means 'you choose your playstyle.' (from a range of possibilities exising in the game, to be sure.)
As has already been pointed out: The New player isn't given a tutorial or game introduction on how to engage in Corp and Alliance wars. You're told literally NOTHING about the lower security sectors.
The New Player's initial orientation centers around working for NPC corporations. (However, as is evidenced by the OP of this thread, and numerous posts (not mine) in this thread, the New Player is expected to leave everything he has been introduced to and taught behind, and engage in a play style that heretofore he has been told nothing about.)
The "milk" of High-sec is then soured for the New Player in order to drive them into the lower-security sectors.

This is a Bait & Switch.

I wouldn't want to get into a discussion of the "legality" of it, as, A) This is the Internet. B) CCP is headquartered in Iceland. C) CCP does things that an American corp wouldn't dream of. ie. encourage drinking, and display drunken, and or hung-over young players at live streamed events.

In the reality I live in, they make movies of grand battles with amazing movie like grandness, where you fly though battles emerged in its glory with massive explosions and scaled to show the massiveness of the ships, but in game we get teeny tiny specs with massive text blobs and red crosses.

That is indeed a bait and switch.

I would like to present to you

Exhibit A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc

Exhibit B: http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_736630&feature=iv&index=3&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1&src_vid=kED11aGobUk&v=RBfEVd3bbf4

Exhibit C: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX0p0irEOls


I can show many more. Where is the graphics in those movies in EVE? I can not find them.

Hello all. New guy here, and I'm wondering what different careers there are for a new pilot to get into. I want to point out that I'm looking for a career as opposed to a hobby. I'll give an example; from what I've been reading online, piracy is actually a hobby, not a career....evidently you can make some cash at it, but generally speaking you lose more money than you make. Many people suggest having an industrial main and pirating with your alt. So to me, piracy sounds like a hobby. I'm looking for job to specialize in that offers advancement, a positive cash flow, and can be done by one character without support toons or wealthy main characters.

From what I've gathered, there is:
1) PvE- missions running...seemed fun at first, but honestly a little repetitive
2) PvP/ FW- might be a decent fit because I do enjoy PvP in other games
3) Mining- Can be a great moneymaker, but potentially boring
4) Freight hauling- this actually really appeals to me, but it seems the only way to make money at it is by joining a huge corp like red frog/ black frog
5) Working the market- Arg. I'd rather watch grass grow
6) Exploration/ survey- this sounds kind of cool, but can you make cash at it and does it stay interesting?
7) Bounty hunting- or is it only a hobby?
8) Manufacturing- I guess you sit at the market and build ships? Not my thing

So what have I missed? I don't mean to sound negative, that's a lot more types of gameplay than the vast majority of MMO's out there, I just want to make sure I haven't overlooked something in EVE that I might really enjoy. I'd also love to hear people's thoughts on the ones I've listed, especially in regards to how lucrative they can be or how boring/ hard to get into.

Thanks in advance.

How so? Virtually every Eve trailer and advertisement contains examples of revenge, corporate infiltration, deception, death and destruction, in short the PvP side of the game. It's sold as a nasty, debased, dystopian and violent game, if you come into Eve expecting fluffy rabbits and universal love, you didn't watch any of the trailers.

I would seriously suggest you pick a different game, this ones really just suited for the worst of humanity, and given the small player base it has, we can be thankful that most all of the online gaming rejects and human scum is here and not in other games.