Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Too bad you can't win in this game.

You can pay to be powerful, though, and that's been happening since day one.

you can...the catch is isk lending is not a favored player career. It has a major flaw. Collateral value


Eve had some lenders way back. here is why they stopped doing it from what I have seen since not really around much these days..


I go to them asking for 1.3 billion. I give 1.3 bil of item(s) in collateral. We'll say 1 item, a mach if market price is 1.3 (cba to look up now).


Terms of loan are 3 months to repay.

Month 1 ccp throws out a surpise mega nerf on the mach. It now drops to 800 mil on markets.

I if not an honest player say sucks to be you mr. lender, I am defaulting on loan. Lender now has a mach that sells for a loss and I make out good "selling" a mach for 500 mil profit basically.


This is why people do this less. Market price of collateral varied and too many times they lost isk.




Rest of this stuff....if you have the 100's of millions laying around to buy plex for this crap...you have aleady won eve. You have/make more then you spend while plexing 1 or more accounts. That is winning eve. Want this acheivement to mean more, do pvp. If you can lose ship(s) and go didn't want that ship anyway and mean it since lots of isk the in wallet left you are doing pretty damn good.

Doing well in rl to buy keys up like fiend to plex convert...well then lots of games out there will hook you up. YOu have 200 dollars to play, they will take your money. The games in fact only play well if you do this. So save up 200 more, you'll need it next year if not months later too lol. Also may have noticed many of them suck. Why you came to eve most likely.

As a counter to SP for PLEX - which is a terrible idea - what about PLEX for Neural Scraping?

You can't create SP out of thin air, and doing that would make Eve a terrible game - but like those pictures of you naked at a party when you were a teenager on the internet (no this has not happened to me) you've allowed terrible mistakes in the past to happen, like training Mining and Industry on your PvP main.

As a function of PLEX, and as a once-in-a-lifetime service you could choose to undo those past mistakes - get back that SP to choose to put somewhere else. You wouldn't loose those skills either, they would just sit at 0 until such time you decide it's time to retire to some backend system and mine rocks all day (at which point you have to re-learn those skills - you don't all of a sudden get them back).

At no time is SP being created out of thin air, there is an associated cost to doing this (like there is already a cost to making cosmetic changes to your character - but basically this is a cosmetic change for the brain).

The effect would also have to be cumulative - if you detrain a skill like science, you're going to loose all the other skills that require it as a prerequisite, so basically you can't.

At most, I think you would be able to get back no more than 1-2m SP at the most from this, probably even less? This wouldn't be some game-breaking mechanic - you could even limit the amount of SP you can get back (so you can't suddenly just decide to detrain every skill you've ever had so you suddenly have 20m SP to go spend how you like).

i'm totally behind this! i hope ccp wil introduce plex for sp! they will make everybody happy and will make some good dollars too :) eve if some old scholers cry about not wanting it, let them go to hell, everybody can have the chance to get nice skilled chars and fight vs the vets :) not training for years before actually be able to win a 1vs 1 lolz :)

just the normal plex for SP, you get 30 days of training time for it.. offcourse

Oh the fail is strong with this one.

It's not about the amount of SP that you have. It's what you have it in, what you do with it, how you fly, what you fly, how you fit, who you fly with or against, who or what actions you have. And if you don't understand that then you should just quit as SP doesn't rule in EVE Online but it should never be Pay-2-Win.

EVE Online is one of the hardest MMO's because it's not an instant gratification game, you plan for the long term and that requires intellect and intelligence and some of that is in doubt in some of the posts I've read over the years. It's not as big as WoW and why is that? Because it's fricking harsh and requires knowledge of the game, items,ships, environment and you are never 100% safe when you undock along with being in an unsharded universe with over 50,000 subscribers.

And without the so called "Bittervets" there would be no EVE Online for the newbies of today. Try to remember that those that put their money into a new MMO when other more established studios were out there didn't know it would be around 1, 2 or 10 years so have a bit of respect for those that came before and who remain passing on what they know to those that are new.

i don't get it.

1 plex already gives you 1879200 sp.

I don't mind...

That is as long as the exchange rate is 1 PLEX : 1 sp point... you may be able to convince me to make it 1 PLEX : 2 sp points cause I'm such a nice guy.

I think it is beneficial to us all if CCP profits off of others stupidity - hopefully letting them work on their slogan, "soon TM"

why you feel the need to resurrect topic just to say you dont approve of it? Let it rest in peace at the bottom of F&I.

SP is not winning, so PLEX for SP is not pay to win.

Let characters sell trained skills, call it a "teaching" mechanic if you will.
So someone is training the time, and can sell off a character skill by skill. The ISK per SP stays the same as it does in the character bazaar (or increases), so it is no more "P2W" than the bazaar is.