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SP for PLEX?

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Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-08-17 06:24:05 UTC
Although subject says it all let me ask more thoroughly:

Is it possible to add such feature in game to buy SP for reasonable amount of PLEX? Anyway SP costs game time which can be materialized as PLEX.

Additional benefit would be to make happy all newbies who complain about SP difference to some extent. Consequence would be that more experienced players will get more shiny stuff to blow up.

Obviously some restrictions might be applied as is for remapping.
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#2 - 2013-08-17 06:26:13 UTC
Pay2Win? Of course, this sounds like a reaso...NO!

My Condor costs less than that module!
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#3 - 2013-08-17 06:27:43 UTC
Baygun wrote:
Is it possible to add such feature in game to buy SP for reasonable amount of PLEX?

What is reasonable amount of PLEX for 1 SP? 1? 2? 10?

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-08-17 06:29:36 UTC
I'd be happy if they stopped essentially handing SP to existing/active players for free. You know, like the 4.6m free SP everyone got with the battlecruiser change.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#5 - 2013-08-17 06:33:39 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
I'd be happy if they stopped essentially handing SP to existing/active players for free. You know, like the 4.6m free SP everyone got with the battlecruiser change.

That was not a bonus but a penalty to existing players as they essentially got additional SP (often with clone cost increase) without any benefit at all.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-08-17 06:48:02 UTC
TehCloud wrote:
Pay2Win?


I do not understand your point here.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-08-17 06:54:07 UTC
Why not plex for instablowing up an enemy ship? so even noobs can win pvp
Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-08-17 06:58:28 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
What is reasonable amount of PLEX for 1 SP? 1? 2? 10?


I do not know. I am pretty sure however CCP will figure it out if they decide to go that way.


P.S. the pure mathematics says with each skill having minimum training rate of (17+17/2) SP per minute, then for 1 PLEX that is 1 101 600 SP. I guess CCP may choose lower number of SP per PLEX. or add diminishing returns... :)
Arkenai Wyrnspire
Incorruptibles
#9 - 2013-08-17 07:01:56 UTC
Absolutely not.
Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.

Someone.
Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-08-17 07:04:33 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
Why not plex for instablowing up an enemy ship? so even noobs can win pvp


LolLolLol according many PVP stars noobs can indeed blowup vets and no PLEX is needed.
Baygun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-17 07:08:31 UTC
Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:
Absolutely not.
Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.


Please explain why you consider that "PLEX for SP" = "P2W".

I see little to no difference than "PLEX for ISK"... and ISK = guns and ammo = win Blink
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-08-17 07:14:45 UTC
Baygun wrote:
Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:
Absolutely not.
Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.


Please explain why you consider that "PLEX for SP" = "P2W".

I see little to no difference than "PLEX for ISK"... and ISK = guns and ammo = win Blink


Those guns and ammo are available to all players: new and old.

It's different from 1 day old character having 40 million skillpoints.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#13 - 2013-08-17 07:14:51 UTC
Plex for SP and i am quitting Eve Online, forever!

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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-08-17 07:18:44 UTC
cant it be reversed i give sp and ccp gives plex?:P
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#15 - 2013-08-17 07:25:37 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
cant it be reversed i give sp and ccp gives plex?:P

F2P for specialized alt accounts? No ty.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-08-17 07:41:23 UTC
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
I'd be happy if they stopped essentially handing SP to existing/active players for free. You know, like the 4.6m free SP everyone got with the battlecruiser change.

That was not a bonus but a penalty to existing players as they essentially got additional SP (often with clone cost increase) without any benefit at all.


They get to fly all BCs for 1.56m SP of training time. All future players need to train four times as much to fly all BCs.
Whitehound
#17 - 2013-08-17 07:50:26 UTC
You already get SP for PLEX. Just queue a skill on your main and one on your alt. If not and you think you have found a bug then petition it

If you are asking for additional SP that can be earned through grinding then such a feature would contradict the purely time-based skill progression in EVE. In a highly competitive game such as EVE will many try to use it and the players with the most ISKs wins. Corporations would increase taxes just so their CEOs could buy themselves more skillpoints and dictate others what to train and to reward their members with extra skillpoints (by giving a player a PLEX) or deny it. Minerals, moons, space and ISKs would become less important, because everyone would then try to get extra skillpoints just like XP farmers in other games do. It would change the game completely.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2013-08-17 07:57:32 UTC
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#19 - 2013-08-17 08:17:30 UTC
Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:
Absolutely not.
Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.


This game will always be pay to win so long as alts and multiboxing are a thing.
Whitehound
#20 - 2013-08-17 08:28:05 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Arkenai Wyrnspire wrote:
Absolutely not.
Being able to do that kind of thing is what the Incarna riots were about - Very few people want EVE to be P2W.


This game will always be pay to win so long as alts and multiboxing are a thing.

There is certainly no black and white, but lots of shades of grey here. Alts serve a clear purpose and someone who uses all his characters openly also loses the advantage of having an alternate identity nobody else knows about. Multiboxing has been in the focus for a while now, but it is still only a rare phenomenon and with the changes to ice mining is now also going down again. There is little to complain about and certainly no reason to turn EVE into an SP grinder.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
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