Skill Discussions

On that note, i wonder how the Caldari version will be handled. I mean, lets face it, Torps and Cruise Missiles are pretty crap against anything smaller than a large planetary body.
I just can't see this BC being even close a Tengu for anything except straight up ganking someone or POS bashing. It's hard to put in to words why, but i just can't see it. Though I'll be perfectly happy if it defies my expectations. I like Torps in concept, i just hate them in practice.

Since you are looking for skills for the new ship - train your choice racial large gunnery skill to 5 and the t2 large gunnery skills to 4/5. And AWUG 5 of course since no matter what its gonna be a tight fit.

They are supposed to be anti bs / cap ship so the size issue is intended. a tech1 bc isn't really supposed to rival a tech3 strategic cruiser. Though they are meant to be good at pos bashing and ganking battleships in empire :P

Why would it have to be anything like a Tengu though?

But more importantly yes - you have a very good point. These tier 3 BCs are going to be ganking platforms.

Couple that to the DPS boost that the dessies are receiving and you begin to wonder if this expansion is going to be one for the gankers


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My thoughts would be, b/c it has already been stated multiple times that they are TIER 3, not TECH 3 i.e. for Minmatar, your Tier I BC is the Cyclone requiring Minmatar Cruiser III and Battlecruisers I. Your Tier II BC is the Hurricane requiring Minmatar Cruiser III and Battlecruisers II. So it would be logical that the Tier III Battlecruiser, the Tornado, will require Minmatar Cruiser III and Battlecruisers III. However, that being said, in the dev blog it is stated that the TIER III BC's are designed to mount Battleship class weapons. So I personally would train, at minimum, (racial) cruiser III, battlecruisers III, and large (whatever) turret, i.e. larger projectile turret. I'm personally sitting on Minnie cruiser V, BC V so i'm ready to roll!

Tech 2 ships, commonly referred to as T2, are advanced ships with four bonuses, two of which are derived from the base hull and two of which are derived from a specialty spaceship command skill (usually 2 ranks higher than the base hull. Exceptions: Interdictors at 5 versus 2 and Exhumers and 5 versus 4).

Tech 3 ships are modular cruisers that require a base spaceship command skill that grants on bonus and five subsystem skills that each grant one or more bonuses depending on the subsystems fitted.

Tier 1 ships require only the base spaceship command skill (to level 1) to fly and have a very low mineral build cost. This includes ships like the Cyclone (tier 1 BC), Scythe (tier 1 cruiser), and Dominix (tier 1 BS). Ever notice how these ships cost much less than some of their brethren? It's because they're tier 1.

Tier 2 ships require the base spaceship command skill to level 2 and have an increased mineral build cost. Examples include the Arbitrator (cruiser), Drake (BC), and Apocalypse (BS).

Tier 3 ships require the base spaceship command skill to level 3 and have an even higher mineral build cost. There are two tier 3 cruisers for each race (the combat cruisers, if you will). Tier 3 BSs were added in the same patch as tier 2 BCs (umm... RMR? Don't quote me on that).

This winter, we get tier 3 BCs. They will have a higher mineral build cost than tier 2 BCs, and probably over double that of tier 1s, placing them about level with (or a bit higher) than tier 1 BSs (in cost; let's not get into balance here). If the pattern holds, BC 3 will be the required skill (alongside racial cruiser 3).

That help?

And stupid people are spelling them TEIR 3 instead of TIER 3.

If you are going to pick on someone for that then at least get it right yourself.

Bah. Correction gracefully accepted. I always forget that the second combat cruiser gets the same tier as the EWAR cruiser.

I might suggest Fast Talk and Diplomacy because you might get tempted to try suicide ganking with these newfangled BCs.

Of course Battlecruisers. Since they use large guns, skills related to large turreted weapons are necessary. These cruisers give another reason for Tech 2 large guns of your favorite race. Note the Caldari Naga can use torpedoes but NOT cruise missiles. I don't know how well long range guns will fit on these ships.

Supposedly they're fast, so speed related skills, and the skills for Tech 2 AB and/or MWD will help. They'll outrun a battleship easily, but probably not most cruisers, I'm not sure about other battlecruisers.

Of course with few base hit points you might need good tanking skills to compensate, then again that's not going to be a strong point either way. It might be possible to speed tank against large weapons, possibly.

However in the end, nobody knows how these will work in the long run. Expect shifting ideas on how to best fit these beasties for the next several months before it settles, and plenty of complaints about how each if under/overpowered.