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Skillpoint-Reallocation upon new Mirror?
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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#1 - 2013-08-15 16:42:26 UTC
Hey there,

just testing some HACs on Sisi the last few days, and unfortunately i can't test the new command ships, mostly because i haven't have them trained (yet) on TQ, but that would be a matter of hours, but also because i just used Sisi for the first time ever few days ago and my char has ~40 days of skilltime ahead on Sisi before he could even sit into a Command Ship.


So, i had a small idea.

Upon each mirror, people get the choice for their characters to reallocate all skillpoints once - allowing them to invest these skillpoints into stuff they want to test.

Hardcore Industrial who's only really combat capable ship is the rorqual who wants to test out if he likes missioning in a Tengu and if he should make an alt?

Reallocate all the SP, put them into your Tengu skills, and test it!


The only drawback is, this reallocation can only be made once per mirror.


Would be nice to hear some feedback if such a thing is even possible, and if so, if it's desired, and if not, why?
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#2 - 2013-08-15 18:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kora Ethereal
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
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I'd recommend you simply attend mass-tests. By doing so you can earn up to 10mil SP to freely toss into anything you please. I'm not necessarily shooting this idea down, but Mass-tests are currently the only way of getting any re-allocate-able SP.

I'm also going to go out on a limb and say this will probably never happen, not because we don't want it, but because SiSi is for testing patches/client updates (so when that big patch rolls out TQ server doesn't get accidentally DDoSed by a network error client-side, or you know, bugs don't occur), and not necessarily for letting us testdrive things that we don't necessarily own (exception to this obviously being Reward SP for helping out in mass-tests).

All in all,

Technically Possible (Would require a large amount of work on CCP's end or some damn good database scripting)

Probably Desired by a decent amount of people.

Too much work for something not entirely related to the reason SiSi exists.

Good Idea, but probably won't happen :P
Jonny Copper
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#3 - 2013-08-15 21:16:17 UTC
Simply too much work for CCP to bother with.
MicDeath Titan
No Mans Corp
#4 - 2013-08-16 23:29:51 UTC
Jonny Copper wrote:
Simply too much work for CCP to bother with.

Not really. It really is just a simple matter of how the database is handled.
Easiest method I can think of is a Pave&Nuke.
Copy the sum total of SP from the skill points cell, Pave that amount of SP into the unallocated SP cell, Nuke all skills learned.

You can set up a cron job to handle the database script to do it.
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#5 - 2013-08-17 08:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kora Ethereal
MicDeath Titan wrote:
Jonny Copper wrote:
Simply too much work for CCP to bother with.

Not really. It really is just a simple matter of how the database is handled.
Easiest method I can think of is a Pave&Nuke.
Copy the sum total of SP from the skill points cell, Pave that amount of SP into the unallocated SP cell, Nuke all skills learned.

You can set up a cron job to handle the database script to do it.


This assumes there is a total SP cell and that it's not computed on the go (without this, the job just requires more time/processing power). This also assumes QA department has someone willing to do extra work.

But seeing as the current mirroring process takes eons just to delete things from it (Starbases and Sov + other crap) I'd say this would easily add another day of labor to getting a mirror up. (Not really labor but waiting around for the scripts to finish.)

I do see this interfering somewhat with the incentive for masstests. Players would have less reason to actually helpout as they could simply re-allocate SP from skills they don't really use. (Such as moving all Mining/Industry SP to Missiles/Gunnery/Command.)

Also speaking of the servers/databases in general, We don't really have any clue as to what kind of databases they are, or the server architecture. The only thing I know that's solid is that the client is in python. Also considering the mirroring process takes a copy of the database from TQ and puts it on SiSi once every few months, I doubt a cron job is needed/supported, as everything seems to be done by hand and custom scripts.

Long story short,mirroring process = long without doing too much custom work.
Having to wipe entire tables clean and overwrite another for the entire database takes time.
Last mirror took like 2 days of processing I think, then it broke, and got delayed a week.

Rock solid idea, just need to give CCP a real reason to implement it.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#6 - 2013-08-17 15:56:53 UTC
I can't see how the ability to re-allocate skillpoints would discourage players from participating in masstests. In my opinion it would enlarge the playerbase that could contribute, because everyone who want's would probably be able to participate just because he can get the skills necessary. It would also make the 'benefit' of gaining SP on Sisi obsolete. CCP could introduce another way of reward, like, giving everyone who does participate a day of gametime on the account they used.
Or after 3 masstest participated they get a free day, i don't know.

I wouldn't auto-wipe the entries anyways, just create a button on the log in-screen that allows to do it. So not every char would get wiped, but they could checkbox it, and with next downtime it get's done for them. Lot less workload.
Jonny Copper
The Cadre Arareb Foundation
#7 - 2013-08-18 21:40:21 UTC
Here's what would happen. Noobies log into sisi, takes out a subcaps, get dread blapped, relocates all SP to be perfect dread pilot, goes back out in a dread, get owned again, and quits playing on sisi. Also Kora makes a good point about masstest insitive.
I for example, at ~40 mil SP, could relocate everything to be a perfect dread/carrier/titan/loki pilot. Wouldnt have to worrie about anything aside from sisiblobbing.
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#8 - 2013-08-19 11:14:38 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
I can't see how the ability to re-allocate skillpoints would discourage players from participating in masstests. In my opinion it would enlarge the playerbase that could contribute, because everyone who want's would probably be able to participate just because he can get the skills necessary. It would also make the 'benefit' of gaining SP on Sisi obsolete. CCP could introduce another way of reward, like, giving everyone who does participate a day of gametime on the account they used.
Or after 3 masstest participated they get a free day, i don't know.

I wouldn't auto-wipe the entries anyways, just create a button on the log in-screen that allows to do it. So not every char would get wiped, but they could checkbox it, and with next downtime it get's done for them. Lot less workload.


No-It would probably encourage a massive amount of participants. And we would see trillions of troll blapdreads at masstests not obeying the rules or even listening to what CCP wants us to do. Or... Nobody would be able to use mods/ships being testes because they went and allocated their SP for 1 thing and 1 thing only. And they would probably recieve no SP and instead get a quick kick/ban from the server.

Nope. Nuh Uh. SINGULARITY IS IN NO WAY TO AFFECT ANYTHING THAT OCCURS ON TRANQUILITY, including "free gametime/day". This has been stated since the beginning of time. Nothing we do on the test server should affect our Tranquility accounts at all, period.

Also a button on the log in screen would just add to the net-traffic CCP has to receive and transmit, bogging down the smaller SiSi server cluster.
Kora Ethereal
Ethereal Beings
#9 - 2013-08-19 11:15:10 UTC
Jonny Copper wrote:
Here's what would happen. Noobies log into sisi, takes out a subcaps, get dread blapped, relocates all SP to be perfect dread pilot, goes back out in a dread, get owned again, and quits playing on sisi. Also Kora makes a good point about masstest insitive.
I for example, at ~40 mil SP, could relocate everything to be a perfect dread/carrier/titan/loki pilot. Wouldnt have to worrie about anything aside from sisiblobbing.


Don't you already SiSi blob? :P
Coelus Kugisa
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-08-19 12:12:21 UTC
Mass tests are great if you are in a timezone that is good for participation.