Market Discussions

Yes UNLIMITED amount of money works in the real work right? Just ask some of those countries that tried it and now their money is worth less then the Toliet Paper i use to wipe my arse with!

Your Tritianium is hard to sell because of an OPEN mineral system... more is created FASTER then it is destroyed!

I do understand this line of reasoning. One thing this line of reasoning does is, it assumes that all things will deflate at the same rate. A casual glance at the Eve market shows that all sorts of items go up and down over time, even items that have not had a supply or demand change for considerable amounts of time. Simply hording ISK is not a sure way to get ahead, that will be the slow way to gain relative wealth in ISK terms.

On thing that we're not also discussing is, how does the NPC ISK cycle back into the economy. This method could also have impacts on markets. There could be NPC incentives for certain behaviors that increase the velocity of the money supply, this would have a slight inflationary impact.

There could be in-game player/corp/alliance stocks and bonds. Though these items will not have the same saleability as ISK, they will have some monetary value. NPC shares, NPC bonds that cycle that ISK back into the economy. Maybe NPC buy some minerals, moon goo.

Other ideas?

If wares as you put it were stable, and the ISK supply were fixed, and the Eve population were fixed, the long term aggregate price level would remain constant. Shorter scales would see the aggregate bounce around a bit as player behaviors changed due to in-game events such as war and "jihad swarms" etc.

If the player population decreased, we would expect prices to go up, assuming ISK in unsubscribed wallets could be liberated.

If Population increased prices would go up, then down.

Let's do a simple model. Players(P):ISK(I):Wares(W)

At constant for all, P10:I10:W10 - Nothing changes over the long term.

What happens if some players leave - P8:I10:W10 This is the model when they first leave, more ISK and wares for everyone. But wares are generated by players, eventually the model will be P8:I10:W8, less players, less wares, more relative ISK - prices go up.

What happens if new players join - P12:I10:W10. This is the model just as new players enter the market. They will have a demand for ISK and wares, prices will go up. Eventually the new players will be producing wares and the model will be, P12:I10:W12 - More players, less relative ISK, more wares - Prices will fall.

Your concern is valid, though backwards with regards to inflation. The economy could slow in terms of ISK, but demand will remain so long as people are blowing each other up.

The trick in all this is liberating wallets from inactive accounts and encouraging velocity.

Those are not that bad of ideas but it fixes a problem by creating another problem of and open LP system and untold amounts of LP running about. To fix the Isk problem is that to smiply creat a universal "FEDERAL" type tax system.. I describe it a bit below.



As one of those "Dirty Hoarders" i would be in favor of paying some kind of Hoarder tax, or something like the Federal Tax system where everyone ingame pays a Percentage to CONCORD monthly. Say 1-2% of your entire net worth monthly, and if you didn't have the ISK you would get a negative ballance and you have to be forced to sell your 100b in assets or keep enought isk on hand to pay the taxes. This would also solve the issues of "inactive accounts / Corps" with the idle isk, and be able to keep the system CLOSED.


Thats not true.. if you mangae the "new player problem" like i have described in this post on page 1 (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=271098#post271098). I also think the tax system above would also solve some of your concerns.

A hoarding tax would also be bad as it would discourage saving money. Some amount of savings is important, especially to traders.

A 'hoarding' tax would be unworkable because it would punishes players with a high velocity as much as those with a low velocity, worse when you consider transaction taxes and fees.

The biggest issue is that CONCORD has no economic rent to cover bounties, unless you can propose something to fulfil that role there is no point tinkering around the edges and this idea is dead in the water.

If assets aren't included you could 'convert' all liquid ISK into assets before the tax to avoid it. Making it rather redundant.

Concord does not have to pay bounties in ISK. It could be Concord LP, it could be nothing at all too. There does need to be a mechanic to get ISK back into the player side of the economy away from the NPCs, but it does not have to be concord.

Since this entire conversation is just academic, as we all know CCP won't do this, the sky is the limit on ideas.

First let me say I do not disagree with this at all. My point below is that, there are other things that encourage the exercise of wealth in the form of money, other than inflation.

In a game like Eve, does not also the allure of getting more wealth by way of buying what is low and selling it high encourage activity? Even the simple spread trade has many participants. Spreads would likely be lower under a fixed monetary system, spreads and volitility tend to decrease with a steady monetary base.

There are also trends, political (war) events in Eve that also move markets. CCP changes BPOs, introduces new ships, goons or others go off on a rampage. These events add some variability to the environment and the markets. Those who know how to position would stand to gain. Eve would likely see just as many market manipulation attempts as well.

The biggest concern, for me anyway, is ISK that lands in inactive wallets, and how to get it back into the system along with the ISK that NPCs collect via the sinks.

i can only see a massive gap increasing between wealthy players and the rest of the playerbase.