Ships & Modules

@Darius that is exactly my sentiment.
I don't want another domi but after consideration it could use the domi bonus but watered down like previously suggested with minor bonuses to lock range (and a flight speed increase).
Problem as is is that both rattler and navy domi are stuck as an ancient heavy drone platform conceptually.
I mention the domi buff simply because the rattler is still a pirate ship with the oddest (least used) and most SP intensive skillset of all of them.
Flying a rattler is a commitment like no other.
Maybe this is more a nerf domi solution/whine but bottom line would be increase lock range, remove the torpedo bonus and increase flight speed, those really are essentials.
Rattlers tankyness is awesome but its really just a set of training wheels for low skill/kids don't give daddy time instead of sleeping/or some extreme thing in null sec or epic arcs.
But the real sought after attributes; mobility and dps don't come from a now 20% tank bonus.

Oh FFS! Wake up man! It's a Drone hull, the bonuses should be Drone bonuses before missile bonuses.

I wouldn't worry about zomg OP because "others",watered down I think it would do just fine.
Allowing people to fit a sebo if needed with 25% instead of 50% like on the domi.
Bottom line increased lock range and a flight speed increase.
As is rattlers are like asteroids almost useless to fit a prop mod when your base speed should just state "sad".
Don't forget the rattler is still a pirate ship and no amount of "turret elitism" should stand in your way to see a worthy balanced rattler.
Lets not forget this is the age of RNI domi's neither pirate and one standard BS.
Rattlers tank has been lowered, even if it was made faster it still wouldn't be fast or agile, it is stationary and that alone trades off for its tank.
That right there means you jump into a vindi in fleets, who multi boxes drone boats in pvp?
Who gets chased down by a rattler?
I agree no domi clone but let people scream OP lord knows that never happens.

No need to get your panties in a bunch John :P.
I just am really satisfied with my rattler as is although I don't feel it is quite balanced yet.
It is the reward of flying my first pirate faction ship and BS to boot and being everything I expected even-though I see its obvious flaws.
Which I found to be an inability to fit a sebo/lack of targeting range for the long range sentries to apply their range properly.
As in you can fire up to 90 km and target only a couple kilometers more, giving too short a window to target approaching ships.
Thinking it over slowly and adding all things up I can see a "tanky domi" rattlesnake working.
Now when you look at standard BS, hey have 2 bonuses and pirate ships have the same with a third pirate one.
All 3 of these usually amplify each-other heavily AND are strong bonuses by themselves.
Looking at the dominix's bonus it is 2 bonuses as all standard BS get, only one of which the rattlesnake inherits.
What is highly uncommon about the rattlesnake is that it has only 2 effective bonuses the pirate bonus being F.U.B.A.R.
It doesn't stack/amplify damage like for example; Web + tracking + damage (vindi), or damage + damage + tracking (nightmare) rate of fire + damage + falloff (machariel).
The Rattler starts out with a much larger base tank with about 33%% more shields then most pirate ships paired with 20% damage reduction, but this is strongly offset by the fact it is a sentry boat and therefor stationary.
In my opinion this is sorta kinda a fix to an unpolished mechanic rather then simple pwnage (sentries i.m.h.o. should be able to return but not be repositioned).

IN summary:
You have one Caldari buff; tankyness + higher base tank, offset by being stationary leaving a sketchy +1.
Then you have the plain bonus for a drone boat from Gallente.
When it comes to the 4 missile launchers you see a trend that is common in pirate faction ships the secondary weapon-system is usually not strong like 75 and 100 drone bandwidth for other pirate ships without bonuses.
But you don't see a nightmare with a bonus to drone flight speed (which would be a much better one then 50% faster large missiles, no bonus at all in todays world).

So 2 bonuses instead of 3 and none amplify the others, (disclaimer; damage does amplify tank it is one sided and already very offset by its lack of speed+stationary play making for a very situational benefit).
In pvp there is the matter of its tank adding nothing to drones, and again drones are clunky.
So giving it the second Dominix bonus is not a given but a very likely choice as it makes room for a sebo, raising applied dps well without increasing maximum dps making up for its non multiplicative bonuses.
A drone control range buff is in order as to not start wiping launchers for *DLA (not DCU.. late night sleepyhead=me..) destroying the rattlers uniqueness (although that uniqueness would be just fine with turret slots as well as/instead of launchers).
A minor movement speed buff to make a more holistic end package for this stationary boat.
But I have a hard time making a calculated decision about how much of a "Domi buff" it should get since every pirate ship has a VERY distinctly different bonus which gives it all the more to love.
I would love the domi buff ^^ but getting half of it or 66% would make me smile too, all in all Rattler could use some love and is hard to compare to most boats, but lacking for sure.

Because solo PvP in pirate faction battleships gets chicks.

You dare doubt my internet space ship honor?

Look at this post ^^...

My mach is lackluster with average mods compared to what it is with good mods. So is my TFI. I recently broke the 3 up and took the RS to Caldari space to run my kill everything missions that the Tengu doesn't blitz. And when I put an ACS on it and re rigged it it sucked in comparison (to a 3 slot deadspace tank). Short story long, you can't compare faction/deadspace/officer fits to vanilla fits when comparing ships. When you "bling out" the RS for PvE it is absolute beastmode 2nd only to the Mach. It completes missions/complexes/anomalies in the same time or less as the TFI. It has better projection of slightly less DPS.

Every ship cant be good at solo PvP, but ppl are mentioning the Balghorn like its a good solo PvP ship? Apples oranges much? RS not a good gang PvP ship? Are you kidding?

All in all I think the Domi will still be a bit OP after the nerf tomorrow, and the RS will be ever so slightly underpowered compared to the other pirate hulls, but right on the money for the price.

How many missions need you to shoot past 100KM? There's a couple that spring to mind that have NPCs between 100 - 110 KM, but that's it. Certainly as far as Caldari space is concerned.

I was messing around with a T1 Domi fit in EFT during my lunch break today and to prove a point, made this:

Bouncer: Optimal (147.5KM) FO (42KM)
Drone Control Range: (180KM)
Targeting Range: (176.5KM)

[Dominix, PVE]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Corpus A-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Corpus A-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener
Corpus A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Signal Amplifier II

Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Gist A-Type 100MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Small Shield Transporter II

Large Anti-Explosive Pump II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5


You couldn't get anything close to that package on a RS. It's a pointless fit though for PVE because you'd never need that much range, but it makes my point.

Accepted.

Drone control range is the best idea I have heard for the RS. Unique bonus, great slot layout, and won't really ruin any existing fits.