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Sarum Family Heir recommends assault on Republic

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#141 - 2013-08-22 20:28:25 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
Silas Vitalia wrote:
You do not speak for Khanid II.

And you do even less, heretic.


I never claimed to, dear.

But take my word for it anyway; Khanid II is only interested in one thing, and it's not trade routes or industry.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#142 - 2013-08-22 22:03:19 UTC
I came to a conclusion quite some time ago regarding what would happen if the imperials attempted another invasion of our worlds. I still believe this to be the case.

Assuming no outside intervention (assistance from the Federation, CONCORD, etc.) it's certain that the numerical advantage held by the Amarr military would overrun Republic forces. How long that would take I have no way of predicting but, it would happen. Given that we have absolutely no intention of ever living as slaves again we'd likely fight to the very last person, practice a scorched earth policy of destroying any and everything of value, carry out hit and run harassment raids, suicide attacks, etc. We'd fight an asymmetrical, long-term guerrilla war on a scale never seen before. In short, we'd do everything in our power to make "Amarr Victor" so costly and weaken the Empire to such an extent that one of two scenarios would occur:


  • the massive drain on resources would collapse their economy leading to internal upheaval and eventually a civil war that would topple the Empire from within or,

  • the massive long-term commitment of personnel and equipment needed to secure the newly acquired Matari worlds would drain resources and stretch the imperial military so thinly that the Empire would be vulnerable to invasion by another sovereign entity (the Federation) or, to organized terrorist/criminal enterprises (Blood Raiders, Sansha, or Angels). Unable to withstand attacks on multiple fronts the Empire would be destroyed from without.


Either way the Empire would be destroyed along with the Republic. It's the old doctrine of mutually assured destruction. I rather doubt the (sane) citizens of Amarr are willing to pay this price. I know that personally I'd rather live so long as it doesn't involve me (and 9 future generations of Rellas) being subservient to Jamyl and her deity. In the end we can either find a way to move forward and live together in some kind of stable situation or, die together. Hopefully leaders on all sides will reach this conclusion and stop this madness.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#143 - 2013-08-22 22:22:17 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
I came to a conclusion quite some time ago regarding what would happen if the imperials attempted another invasion of our worlds. I still believe this to be the case.

Assuming no outside intervention (assistance from the Federation, CONCORD, etc.) it's certain that the numerical advantage held by the Amarr military would overrun Republic forces. How long that would take I have no way of predicting but, it would happen. Given that we have absolutely no intention of ever living as slaves again we'd likely fight to the very last person, practice a scorched earth policy of destroying any and everything of value, carry out hit and run harassment raids, suicide attacks, etc. We'd fight an asymmetrical, long-term guerrilla war on a scale never seen before. In short, we'd do everything in our power to make "Amarr Victor" so costly and weaken the Empire to such an extent that one of two scenarios would occur:


  • the massive drain on resources would collapse their economy leading to internal upheaval and eventually a civil war that would topple the Empire from within or,

  • the massive long-term commitment of personnel and equipment needed to secure the newly acquired Matari worlds would drain resources and stretch the imperial military so thinly that the Empire would be vulnerable to invasion by another sovereign entity (the Federation) or, to organized terrorist/criminal enterprises (Blood Raiders, Sansha, or Angels). Unable to withstand attacks on multiple fronts the Empire would be destroyed from without.


Either way the Empire would be destroyed along with the Republic. It's the old doctrine of mutually assured destruction. I rather doubt the (sane) citizens of Amarr are willing to pay this price. I know that personally I'd rather live so long as it doesn't involve me (and 9 future generations of Rellas) being subservient to Jamyl and her deity. In the end we can either find a way to move forward and live together in some kind of stable situation or, die together. Hopefully leaders on all sides will reach this conclusion and stop this madness.




And I thought the EoM were the only apocalyptic-themed cult around these days! You surprise me with such a prophecy of doom-and-gloom.

I'm sure the Udorians, or the Earlurians, or the NiKunni, or even the Khanid felt their worlds would come to and end as well, or perhaps that they'd "go out fighting."

Rubbish.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#144 - 2013-08-22 23:07:59 UTC
The Khanids, at large, did never fight the Empire.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#145 - 2013-08-22 23:49:10 UTC
Reclaiming is part of the Amarr religion, part of their culture. Pro reclaiming forces are gathering. I would think there must be much more pro reclaiming than anti within the Empire.

The nations that are most anti reclaiming they are at war with, so why not re start. Bring in a work force of slaves, the best of which could be trained into Kameiras the elite fighting force of slaves in the Empire. Im sure there would also be economic gains to be had.





Koratta Keng
Keng Mining and Mineral
#146 - 2013-08-23 00:34:20 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Koratta Keng wrote:
Recent Developments suggest that leaders within the empire come to the situation with vastly different motivations and temperaments. Those among my particular circles in the Kingdom do not see this kind of war as beneficial. Among the negatives would be a significant hindrance to trade and industry across borders.


You do not speak for Khanid II.




Indeed I do not. In expressing my opinion on the subject I only intended to give a perspective as a miner. I did not wish to stir any personal animosities between particular pilots. I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone but myself and for others only in a limited way if they share my opinion. Khanid II will speak for himself on this subject if he deems it appropriate.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#147 - 2013-08-23 01:30:02 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

And I thought the EoM were the only apocalyptic-themed cult around these days! You surprise me with such a prophecy of doom-and-gloom.

I'm sure the Udorians, or the Earlurians, or the NiKunni, or even the Khanid felt their worlds would come to and end as well, or perhaps that they'd "go out fighting."

Rubbish.



Well, if a war of occupation was fought, I could well see it coming to that. Scorched Earth could work both ways, though, with the Empire occupying a system, lifting what they could and burning the rest in place, I suppose.

Theoretically the Empire could maintain a large enough fleet to defend their borders and a separate fleet for offensive operations... I'm not sure enough about the numbers to be certain - I wonder how the modernisation is going? Some of the golden ships I've seen have been little more than relics.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#148 - 2013-08-23 02:48:09 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
It's funny when people mention how Uriam Kador is "one of the most powerful people in the Empire after the Empress", and is "acting insane", and that this is an indication of the Wrongness of the Imperial system, when....

A Gallente senator, one of the most powerful people in the Federation after the President, believed himself to be a teenage girl while under the influence of a Caldari-manufactured transcranial microcontroller. Whilst in the Senate chamber itself!

Demonstratable insane behaviour.

Hurr~

The difference being is it's rather easier to do away with a problem Senator than a problem Heir.

One of the benefits of the flexible nature of democracy, you see.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2013-08-23 03:24:50 UTC
Rioghal Morgan wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
It's funny when people mention how Uriam Kador is "one of the most powerful people in the Empire after the Empress", and is "acting insane", and that this is an indication of the Wrongness of the Imperial system, when....

A Gallente senator, one of the most powerful people in the Federation after the President, believed himself to be a teenage girl while under the influence of a Caldari-manufactured transcranial microcontroller. Whilst in the Senate chamber itself!

Demonstratable insane behaviour.

Hurr~

The difference being is it's rather easier to do away with a problem Senator than a problem Heir.

One of the benefits of the flexible nature of democracy, you see.


Same thing goes with a problem President and a Problem Empress.

Think about it, people only need to put up with a crazed President for one term (you could argue it's their fault for electing him and their responsibility) meanwhile, an Emperor or Empress that's going off the walls is holding back their nation for as long as they live.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#150 - 2013-08-23 03:38:35 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Same thing goes with a problem President and a Problem Empress.

Think about it, people only need to put up with a crazed President for one term (you could argue it's their fault for electing him and their responsibility) meanwhile, an Emperor or Empress that's going off the walls is holding back their nation for as long as they live.


We have ways of ensuring this does not happen. Our methods are just a bit more... heroic than the drab systemic safeguards the Gallente have. Assassins and the Speakers of Truth make for much better poetry than an impeachment.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2013-08-23 03:55:22 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Same thing goes with a problem President and a Problem Empress.

Think about it, people only need to put up with a crazed President for one term (you could argue it's their fault for electing him and their responsibility) meanwhile, an Emperor or Empress that's going off the walls is holding back their nation for as long as they live.


We have ways of ensuring this does not happen. Our methods are just a bit more... heroic than the drab systemic safeguards the Gallente have. Assassins and the Speakers of Truth make for much better poetry than an impeachment.


I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#152 - 2013-08-23 04:29:41 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it.

This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants.

That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you.
Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
AimogMart
#153 - 2013-08-23 04:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rioghal Morgan
Scherezad wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it.

This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants.

That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you.

Captain Shutaq is speaking of assasination, ma'am. With respect, that is something I am glad doesn't stir my people's hearts.

Such matters, while sometimes necessary, should only be resorted too after heavy consideration and are not fit things for glorification.
Trensk Mikakka
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#154 - 2013-08-23 05:08:47 UTC
I'll say this once, and very clearly: If something was going to happen, it should've happened already, in my opinion. Something COULD happen soon, but if the Amaar didn't do anything yet then I see no reason to be too overtly worried. The Saurum heir is only that, a Heir. The Empress makes the final decision, of course, and since nothing has happened, I doubt things will happen. I may be wrong, but I could be right too.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2013-08-23 05:18:02 UTC
My. How clear.

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#156 - 2013-08-23 05:18:04 UTC
Rioghal Morgan wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it.

This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants.

That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you.

Captain Shutaq is speaking of assasination, ma'am. With respect, that is something I am glad doesn't stir my people's hearts.

Such matters, while sometimes necessary, should only be resorted too after heavy consideration and are not fit things for glorification.


While love and fame may cause the heart to swell,
So too should hate, and loathing ought as well.
Trensk Mikakka
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#157 - 2013-08-23 05:23:48 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
My. How clear.


Sarcasm is unbecoming of you.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2013-08-23 05:38:36 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it.

This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants.

That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you.


Poetry, literature, and all the arts have their place in our society and are of great value. However, the arts are reactionary. Only a madman would do something with the sole intent if having people represent it in the arts. That is what men like Tibus Heth do and look where it got him.

People who want their story sung about or dramaticized before the story is told will get their wish in some cases, yet it will be different than the story they wanted.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#159 - 2013-08-23 06:23:31 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I see it is a matter of cultural difference then. We don't do things so people can recite them in verses and prayers for the next thousand years. Simply get the job done, have the media praise it or condemn it for two weeks and forget about it.

This statement made me very sad, sir. I hope that one day, the soul of your nation stirs poetry and epics once again, and that its actions will be sung on the stages of our descendants.

That which moves Gallentine hands ought also stir Gallentine hearts. I hope this returns to you.


Poetry, literature, and all the arts have their place in our society and are of great value. However, the arts are reactionary. Only a madman would do something with the sole intent if having people represent it in the arts. That is what men like Tibus Heth do and look where it got him.

People who want their story sung about or dramaticized before the story is told will get their wish in some cases, yet it will be different than the story they wanted.



Psssh... You're just unhappy because nobody made a dramatic statue of you. Did I mention that someone made a dramatic statue of me? In bronze?

It's very nice.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#160 - 2013-08-23 15:11:10 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

And I thought the EoM were the only apocalyptic-themed cult around these days! You surprise me with such a prophecy of doom-and-gloom.

I'm sure the Udorians, or the Earlurians, or the NiKunni, or even the Khanid felt their worlds would come to and end as well, or perhaps that they'd "go out fighting."

Rubbish.



False comparison, Vitalia, and you know it. I'm not calling for the destruction of humanity as the EoM does. I'm not calling for the destruction of the Empire. I pointed out a likely outcome should the Amarr attack us. I'm stating the fact that we will never again be held captive by Amarr or, anyone else. The majority of us prefer death to enslavement. You're also wrong to compare us to those unfortunates who happened to be early victims of the imperials. The circumstances are totally different.

I assure you most emphatically that we will not bow before your Empire. We'll die fighting to the last or take our own lives before we'd let that happen.

I'd also caution you not to be so smug and remind you that you're considered a heretical dog in the eyes of the Empire; something to be reclaimed to the "true faith" or, put down.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.