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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#281 - 2013-08-28 18:46:14 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
On the same page? What would you mean by that?

-Eran


Never mind, I was mistaken, pity.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#282 - 2013-08-28 21:03:08 UTC
It's telling, though very sad, that people make such grand assumptions merely based on race.

-Eran
Gabriel Darkefyre
Gradient
Electus Matari
#283 - 2013-08-28 22:04:32 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
It's telling, though very sad, that people make such grand assumptions merely based on race.

-Eran



Such is the way of humanity. Usually the most extreme of behaviour is what stands out, so people form generalisations based off those extremes. Those generalisations lead to prejudice which tends to blind people to the good as they focus on the bad.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#284 - 2013-08-28 22:31:43 UTC
Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
It's telling, though very sad, that people make such grand assumptions merely based on race.

-Eran



Such is the way of humanity. Usually the most extreme of behaviour is what stands out, so people form generalisations based off those extremes. Those generalisations lead to prejudice which tends to blind people to the good as they focus on the bad.


Getting surprised by the good in your enemies is never a serious problem. I remember one of my first meetings with Kyllsa Siikanen was her bringing me some of the best soup I've ever tasted when I was in hospital.

Getting surprised by the bad in your enemies, however...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2013-08-29 01:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Eran Mintor wrote:
It's telling, though very sad, that people make such grand assumptions merely based on race.

-Eran


I can assure you it has nothing to do with race, I merely misunderstood what you were saying. Stop race baiting, it only makes you look like a fool. Only people who are insecure about their ethnic background would resort to such a thing or those wishing to take the moral high ground in a conversation. Unfortunately for you, I won't allow any of that.

When you said:
Eran Mintor wrote:

Using "temper tantrums" to describe the Amarr is a statement much farther from the truth than you could make.

I personally interpreted it as "you didn't describe the Amarr bad enough" rather than "you didn't describe them in a good way". This fault is purely mine and I acknowledged it. As much as you would like to think, race has nothing to do with it.

It's quite ironic actually. You're calling me out on making assumptions, when the only one making assumptions here is you.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#286 - 2013-08-29 02:20:23 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
It's telling, though very sad, that people make such grand assumptions merely based on race.

-Eran



Such is the way of humanity. Usually the most extreme of behaviour is what stands out, so people form generalisations based off those extremes. Those generalisations lead to prejudice which tends to blind people to the good as they focus on the bad.


Getting surprised by the good in your enemies is never a serious problem. I remember one of my first meetings with Kyllsa Siikanen was her bringing me some of the best soup I've ever tasted when I was in hospital.

Getting surprised by the bad in your enemies, however...


Anytime, Pieter. People should share soup more.

I cannot help thinking we'd be better off for it.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#287 - 2013-08-29 18:01:41 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
It's telling, though very sad, that people make such grand assumptions merely based on race.

-Eran



Such is the way of humanity. Usually the most extreme of behaviour is what stands out, so people form generalisations based off those extremes. Those generalisations lead to prejudice which tends to blind people to the good as they focus on the bad.


Getting surprised by the good in your enemies is never a serious problem. I remember one of my first meetings with Kyllsa Siikanen was her bringing me some of the best soup I've ever tasted when I was in hospital.

Getting surprised by the bad in your enemies, however...


Anytime, Pieter. People should share soup more.

I cannot help thinking we'd be better off for it.


You're right - and I actually do have a soup recipe to share now.... I've been remiss....

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#288 - 2013-08-29 18:26:19 UTC
Soup and fraternization with the enemy. And they say I derail threads.

Anslo
Scope Works
#289 - 2013-08-29 20:17:31 UTC
Suuuure i try to keep you from lighting a cigar up and resting fully, so i don't get an honorable mention?? Damn Tuulinen, that hurts!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#290 - 2013-08-29 21:13:22 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Soup and fraternization with the enemy. And they say I derail threads.



You know, even if you weren't a toaster, you'd make no friends with that attitude.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#291 - 2013-08-29 21:45:45 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Soup and fraternization with the enemy. And they say I derail threads.



You know, even if you weren't a toaster, you'd make no friends with that attitude.


Your concern is touching.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#292 - 2013-08-30 04:26:28 UTC
I suppose you missed the part where I plainly stated that I wasn't speaking for Ava, Pilot Mintor? Or, where I said that I (a personal pronoun denoting myself, Anabella Rella) didn't associate with criminals?

Although it should go without saying, apparently some need the standard IGS disclaimer; opinions expressed in my posts are mine solely. I don't speak officially for any other individual or organization.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#293 - 2013-08-30 05:23:54 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
...I can assure you it has nothing to do with race, I merely misunderstood what you were saying. Stop race baiting, it only makes you look like a fool. Only people who are insecure about their ethnic background would resort to such a thing or those wishing to take the moral high ground in a conversation. Unfortunately for you, I won't allow any of that.

When you said:
Eran Mintor wrote:

Using "temper tantrums" to describe the Amarr is a statement much farther from the truth than you could make.

I personally interpreted it as "you didn't describe the Amarr bad enough" rather than "you didn't describe them in a good way". This fault is purely mine and I acknowledged it. As much as you would like to think, race has nothing to do with it.

It's quite ironic actually. You're calling me out on making assumptions, when the only one making assumptions here is you.


Actually pilot, you are making assumptions. You've made several so far; one is that you assumed that I was stating "you didn't describe the Amarr bad enough", and two, that we are on the same page.

I wonder if you would've said the same things had I looked like a Ni-Kunni or Khanid? I would wager, if I was a gambling man, that the answer to that is a definitive "no."

Secondly, I have neither insecurity about my ethnic background, nor am I trying to take any kind of moral high-ground. I am quite proud of my ethnicity, and morals...well, I do my best to stick to mine but it often puts them at odds with each other. This prevents me from taking much of any "high-ground", and I'm quite aware of that.

Thirdly, if I may, the point I was trying to make wasn't that "you didn't describe them in a good way", which is another assumption you make, but rather that you were being purposefully inaccurate with how you describe Amarrians. I neither meant to say Amarr are good nor bad, but that painting someone as a child is not something befitting anyone who intends to have a real discussion with any human-being.



Now Rella, darling, I learned how to read as a boy on Eram.

I saw what you spoke and understand you didn't intend to speak for Miss Starfire, however you indirectly were when you said Aldrith had no point, in your opinion. He, in fact, had quite a good point, though you stated it had no merit because you didn't agree with it, and you don't associate with criminals. I won't take your word on that; I merely have to think about Colelie, where many crimes were committed, to know better, but I digress...

The mere point I'm trying to make is that, while you don't speak for Miss Starfire, you did in the sense when you said Aldrith was completely wrong in his statement. You may not have liked his generalization, but when you said that he was wrong, your words did involve the accusations he made towards Pilot Starfire.

-Eran
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2013-08-30 10:38:00 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:


Actually pilot, you are making assumptions. You've made several so far; one is that you assumed that I was stating "you didn't describe the Amarr bad enough", and two, that we are on the same page.

I wonder if you would've said the same things had I looked like a Ni-Kunni or Khanid? I would wager, if I was a gambling man, that the answer to that is a definitive "no."

Secondly, I have neither insecurity about my ethnic background, nor am I trying to take any kind of moral high-ground. I am quite proud of my ethnicity, and morals...well, I do my best to stick to mine but it often puts them at odds with each other. This prevents me from taking much of any "high-ground", and I'm quite aware of that.

Thirdly, if I may, the point I was trying to make wasn't that "you didn't describe them in a good way", which is another assumption you make, but rather that you were being purposefully inaccurate with how you describe Amarrians. I neither meant to say Amarr are good nor bad, but that painting someone as a child is not something befitting anyone who intends to have a real discussion with any human-being.

-Eran


They were not assumptions good sir. As this is the first time I believe we've talked, I was unsure of your views and misinterpreted them. You can feel free to think otherwise, but I'm afraid your claims have no support behind them.

If you aren't insecure or trying to make yourself appear morally sound, then why do you feel the need to use the horribly cliche and outright silly "It's because I'm Minmatar" defense? It's as illogical as me claiming you are stereotyping me as a racist, because other Gallenteans are racist. Do you see how rediculous it sounds? Get a grip.

There is a difference between misunderstanding someone and making assumptions. I'm not sure why that concept is so difficult to grasp for you. Again, believe what you want, but the burden of proof lies on you. And yes, that is a challenge for you to find solid evidence that I'm making assumptions based on race. I doubt you can though, considering you just felt like throwing random accusations at me with no facts or logic behind them because you are a race baiter.

Finally, if an Amarrian can regularly look down on the rest of the cluster with a false sense of superiority I think someone should be able to paint them as a child once in a while.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#295 - 2013-08-30 11:09:10 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Soup and fraternization with the enemy. And they say I derail threads.



I do not believe I have said anything of the sort, nor claimed that I did not engage in such behaviour myself!

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#296 - 2013-08-30 11:25:17 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Finally, if an Amarrian can regularly look down on the rest of the cluster with a false sense of superiority I think someone should be able to paint them as a child once in a while.


Superiority based upon a feeling that one's culture is the best, and that everyone else should follow it...

Pot, kettle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#297 - 2013-08-30 12:19:23 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Soup and fraternization with the enemy. And they say I derail threads.



Fraternization? I really didn't have the energy - I was recovering from injuries!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#298 - 2013-08-30 13:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Anja Suorsa
[Rescinded following review of thread]
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2013-08-30 13:58:44 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Finally, if an Amarrian can regularly look down on the rest of the cluster with a false sense of superiority I think someone should be able to paint them as a child once in a while.


Superiority based upon a feeling that one's culture is the best, and that everyone else should follow it...

Pot, kettle.


The kettle being genocidal, slaver, zealots and the pot helping other civilizations to the stars and treating member states equally.

Sure, we have similar desires, but our differing methodologies make it pointless to try and draw any parallels.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#300 - 2013-08-30 14:21:43 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:

Finally, if an Amarrian can regularly look down on the rest of the cluster with a false sense of superiority I think someone should be able to paint them as a child once in a while.


Superiority based upon a feeling that one's culture is the best, and that everyone else should follow it...

Pot, kettle.


The kettle being genocidal, slaver, zealots and the pot helping other civilizations to the stars and treating member states equally.

Sure, we have similar desires, but our differing methodologies make it pointless to try and draw any parallels.


The parallel is that the Federation and Empire both firmly believe that they're entirely correct, and are dreadful at listening to any other points of view. You yourself have demonstrated this more than once recently. I actually liked the Federation until you and that Bete idiot came in and started spouting off. Guess my memories of the place when I lived there are a little rose-tinted.