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Here we go again !

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Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-08-14 00:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
I am for faster skilltimes for new Players ! In fact give new players 10mil SP to allocate.

You're not? Are you for removing the Bazaar then?

No ? Hypocrite !

I am for gaining SP in Missions. Remove Missions where you can buy stuff and complete the mission.
Exploits you say? Well, Developers get money each month to work on this game and remove exploits/ ban exploiters.

Remove Bazaar. Bazaar is the only Reason that this pain in the ars skill system even exists. GIVE US MONEY GOD DAMN IT !
Money can buy you a propper skilled Char.

All you long time players have nothing to say about that? My guess is, that those who disagree with a new system for new players are those who sell chars on the bazaar.

Pay to win : Go against one enemy ! He loses Ships you lose Ships.......who has the most ships wins. You can buy Ships with Plex can't you?
The counterargument is = You can't buy better ships ! Yeah....true. But if you get podded and buy the same ship against ur enemy and kill him...he ran out of isk...you buy plex as long as you want...he loses = Pay2Win and Pay2Play.

Ur turn

Edit: Also a question. 500k Subs and 50k people online at peaks? Better not play. Yeah playing a game is overrated. Especially in a game.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-08-14 00:46:03 UTC
Poasting in a stealth "ban isboxer" thread.

or something...

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Jennifaria Badasaz
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#3 - 2013-08-14 00:46:48 UTC
What?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#4 - 2013-08-14 00:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-08-14 00:51:56 UTC
This game lives of the promise of future fun. But mostly there is no fun. And the fact, that you can skip all the trainingtime if you spend enough money takes the cake.
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-08-14 00:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime


Well i know the Eve fanbase quiet good now. I am pretty stunned that you are happy with every spoon of fecies you get. The thing, that makes it funny for you is your social connections in this game but you can get the same expiereince in any browsergame.

New players are your content. But being content isn't fun for some reason. And when the "Content" criticizes the game you defend it ofc. Well....all i want is that you take a look at the situation.

Is it ok, that you can skip 2 years of training by spending money?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2013-08-14 01:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
You're complaining that you can buy a character through the bazaar? Why? A newbie can indeed buy a character that can fly carriers and the like, it doesn't mean the newbie can use them though. Without the experience and time spent learning how to use ships effectively, a newbie in any ship, no matter their characters skills, is still a newbie.

Caesarion Prime wrote:

Well i know the Eve fanbase quiet good now. I am pretty stunned that you are happy with every spoon of fecies you get. The thing, that makes it funny for you is your social connections in this game but you can get the same expiereince in any browsergame.
The character you're posting on is less than 3 weeks old, post on your main and people might listen to you.

Quote:
New players are your content. But being content isn't fun for some reason. And when the "Content" criticizes the game you defend it ofc. Well....all i want is that you take a look at the situation.

Newbies are important, that bit you have right. They're not content though, they don't know enough about the game to be able to produce content.

Quote:
Is it ok, that you can skip 2 years of training by spending money?

If someone is dumb enough to spank a few billion on a character that they can't use effectively, then yes it is because that character will be a waste of money to them, personal skills > character skills. A fool and his money are soon parted.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-14 01:02:58 UTC
Caesarion Prime wrote:

Well i know the Eve fanbase quiet good now.


Atleast post on your main, or did you figure out the entire EVE fanbase in your 2 weeks of play?

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-08-14 01:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're complaining that you can buy a character through the bazaar? Why? A newbie can indeed buy a character that can fly carriers and the like, it doesn't mean the newbie can. Without the experience and time spent learning how to use ships effectively, a newbie in any ship, no matter their characters skills, is still a newbie.


So you' need 2 years to learn how to fly a ship? Well i guess you're pretty dumb man. Usually it takes 1-2 days to learn stuff.

Edit: But hey....if you need someone to teach you stuff 4 hours a day and repeat himself for 2 years till you get the point.....maybe this is the game for you !
Luis Graca
#10 - 2013-08-14 01:06:42 UTC
Is it just me that think that it doesn't matter the number of SP but the way you spend them?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#11 - 2013-08-14 01:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Caesarion Prime wrote:

So you' need 2 years to learn how to fly a ship? Well i guess you're pretty dumb man. Usually it takes 1-2 days to learn stuff.


Your character might be able to learn it in a few days, you won't. Your knowledge is much more important than your characters skills, to be truly effective you, as a person, needs to learn about concepts such as optimal range, falloff, traversal, scouting, manual piloting etc, and that takes time, not money.

Unlike other games, the gear isn't important, neither are the skillpoints, what you do with them is the key.

Less of the insults please, they're not called for.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-08-14 01:08:13 UTC
Luis Graca wrote:
Is it just me that think that it doesn't matter the number of SP but the way you spend them?


Yeah its just you. I want to spend my SP one way but i need 3 months to do it. Till then ...offline.
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-08-14 01:09:38 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Caesarion Prime wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
You're complaining that you can buy a character through the bazaar? Why? A newbie can indeed buy a character that can fly carriers and the like, it doesn't mean the newbie can. Without the experience and time spent learning how to use ships effectively, a newbie in any ship, no matter their characters skills, is still a newbie.


So you' need 2 years to learn how to fly a ship? Well i guess you're pretty dumb man. Usually it takes 1-2 days to learn stuff.


Your character might be able to learn it in a few days, you won't. Your knowledge is much more important than your characters skills, to be truly effective you, as a person, needs to learn about concepts such as optimal range, falloff, traversal, scouting, manual piloting etc, and that takes time, not money.


Yeah and you need half a year to learn it......wow i thought eve is for intelligent people....i see now its for slow learing people :D
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2013-08-14 01:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Luis Graca wrote:
Is it just me that think that it doesn't matter the number of SP but the way you spend them?

QFT, What the OP wants is to drive a Ferrari when he can only ride a Scooter.

Caesarion Prime wrote:


Yeah and you need half a year to learn it......wow i thought eve is for intelligent people....i see now its for slow learing people :D

Wow you really know how to make friends don't you, I foresee some fun and games in your future.

Personally if I was you, I'd shut up now before you attract some unwanted attention to you and your corporation, alternatively go back to whatever game you came from and do us all a favour.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

Feyd's Survival Pack

Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-08-14 01:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Luis Graca wrote:
Is it just me that think that it doesn't matter the number of SP but the way you spend them?

QFT, What the OP wants is to drive a Ferrari when he can only ride a Scooter.


Standart answer. Doesn't even try to answer my question.....so EvE is for slow learing people....Ok no problem with that.
There has to be a game for those people too.
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#16 - 2013-08-14 01:16:23 UTC
You buy chars with isk. New player who is clever can make lots of isk quick. No real money necessary. So don't see what the problem is. It's not pay to win in the sense that you probably think it is. You have complete control to "win" by being a good player.
The other thing is that specializing a char doesn't take too long so when you make a couple accounts and specialize your chars you can do most things just as good after a couple months training as a ten year old veteran can with a high skilled char.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#17 - 2013-08-14 01:20:52 UTC
OP, this game might be more to your liking.

If (when) you decide to ragequit EVE, be a darling and contract me your stuff... Thanks... Bye...

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-08-14 01:24:27 UTC
Johan Toralen wrote:
You buy chars with isk. New player who is clever can make lots of isk quick. No real money necessary. So don't see what the problem is. It's not pay to win in the sense that you probably think it is. You have complete control to "win" by being a good player.
The other thing is that specializing a char doesn't take too long so when you make a couple accounts and specialize your chars you can do most things just as good after a couple months training as a ten year old veteran can with a high skilled char.


A couple Accounts? So you want me to support this game with Money where you don't have fun to begin with?
Would be fun if you saw....hey 0.0 sec i will go there and do something. The 0.0 Sec is owned by Corps now.
The only aim you have is to get into one of those 0-0 Corps......but there is no fun in that. Exploration is gone.

You can go afk and farm SP for 2 years and then go for one null sec corp. Thats your only opportunity to get some fun.
Caesarion Prime
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-08-14 01:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Caesarion Prime
Seraph Essael wrote:
OP, this game might be more to your liking.

If (when) you decide to ragequit EVE, be a darling and contract me your stuff... Thanks... Bye...


Yeah maybe. I got a free month. CCPs question should be : Why do i have no fun ? Why do i go afk for 2 weeks to get a skill ?
In the meantime i play something fun !

EvE is litteraly like a browsergame. Do something for 5 minutes and then go offline for 2 weeks. People that subscribe to a game want value and entertainment out of it. There is NO Entertainmentvalue in EvE untill you are a long time Sub.
Zero.

And that is why noone plays it. 50k at peak times. There is no Entertainment Value. People have 5-10 Accounts. They have the money and they love being offline to advance. But this is why EvE will never grow.

It is a Niche. A niche for people that don't have time to play. And the majority wants to play.....but playing eve doesnt give you any progress or any advantage. Playing EvE activerly doesn't give you any advantage over people that never play. And that is the main reason why EvE will never be a big MMO.

MMO Playerbase consists of Hardcore Gamers. All day Every day. That is the competision.
Johan Toralen
IIIJIIIITIIII
#20 - 2013-08-14 01:37:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Toralen
Caesarion Prime wrote:
A couple Accounts? So you want me to support this game with Money where you don't have fun to begin with?
Would be fun if you saw....hey 0.0 sec i will go there and do something. The 0.0 Sec is owned by Corps now.
The only aim you have is to get into one of those 0-0 Corps......but there is no fun in that. Exploration is gone.

You can go afk and farm SP for 2 years and then go for one null sec corp. Thats your only opportunity to get some fun.


Is anyone holding a gun to your head forcing you to play this game?
If you don't enjoy it then no you shouldn't support it. Go play something else instead. It's the reasonable thing to do.

There are many other ways to have fun in Eve then joining a nullsec corp but don't expect the game or anyone to hold your hand. If you can't figure it out for yourself then the game isn't for you.
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