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How do you treat your crews?

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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2013-08-31 11:15:16 UTC
Captain Stitcher what you are saying is a perfectly logical responce. let me asure you that as i pointed out in my earlier log, it comes down to calculated and estimations of missions at hand. i am full aware of the performance specs and the impact i have comanding from the pod, or being on the bridge with the crew, to some extent it is probably well ower your estimated 25%, that said a battleship is a very big operational entity, and its specs can varry alot from ship to ship, but in the end it comes down to mission and calculations of what might happen, its true you can never ever eliminate all factors or take them for granted, there is allways uncertain factors we cant know, wheter we are in the pod or outside, it simply comes down to what is probably sound.

I might at times not allways work great in social situations, but my presence on the bridge also marks my confidence in my crew, in a inlogical act to hamper the ships peak performance, my presence boosts the crews confidence in me, and in them self, this said and again i stress Captain, and reasure you, there are missions and there is Missions, and some they are capable of carrying out as a baseliner battleship
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#102 - 2013-08-31 11:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Caroline Grace
Stitcher wrote:
Pilot Ivory, you realise that if what you say about piloting from the bridge is true (which I personally doubt) then you're needlessly placing their lives and your own at increased risk just for the sake of a little face-to-face human contact?

Your presence in the pod has a profound impact on the performance of the ship. Every facet of the ship's performance, from its navigational performance to the effective protection offered by its shield and armor to the capacity and recharge time of the capacitor, it's all rendered more effective by the presence and constant attention of a capsuleer. Not by just a little bit, either - quite often the minimum performance increase exceeds 25%. Rattlesnakes in particular go from being a somewhat mediocre vessel when flown by Guristas baseliner forces to being the kind of combat monster that saw a lot of use in the alliance tournament.

The reason your ship's shields are that durable? Is because the equations to keep them stable are being run through your brain. I've blown up enough Rattlesnakes in my time to know that without the pod pilot, they're alarmingly fragile. You ever see what a volley of well-aimed 425mm railguns do to a rattlesnake that doesn't have a capsuleer? The shields vanish in MUCH less time than even the fastest capsule gantry can get you locked in and submerged.

There are two options - you can either make fluffy-huggy with your crew and put them all in needless danger by flying around in a fragile deathtrap just to sate your thirst for social contact, or you can do your damn job properly by staying in the pod, keeping the ship running at peak performance and giving them all the best chance of living to get back to dock.

Lest you think I'm accusing you of being either incompetent or a liar, spare yourself the trouble of wondering - I am. And I very much hope it's the latter.

I would perhaps suggest to calm a tone and let everyone (in this case pilot Ivory) do what they, suprise, want to do. The whole concept of being in a pod doesn't mean that you are an invincible god from the beginning -- do not underestimate the power of ships piloted by non-capsuleers -- for any new pilot from academy, for any pilot with wrong combat education or for any pilot who manages to make a mistake (we are still humans, after all) -- they can be, and they will be still damn deadly.

If madam Ivory prefers to command her ship from a bridge rather than from a pod, by all means, I don't see a single problem. There were injuries, there were casulties. And no loss of a ship. That reminds me stories of most pilots who command their ships within a pod.

Calling someone a liar and giving options (really?) just because someone is prefering to pilot his or her spaceship a bit differently is truly somewhat pathetic, I have to say.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#103 - 2013-09-01 09:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I said I am of the opinion that she is either incompetent or a liar, and that I hoped it was the latter for the sake of her crews.

Sadly, the world is full of incompetent persons, and my assessment of her competence is not contingent on whether or not she's at liberty to choose for herself. She's free to do it that way, I'm free to think that doing it that way is moronic, and to say as much.

The point was to draw attention to the absurdity of desiring a closer and more friendly relationship with your crew by exposing them to greater risk.

It IS absurd, I would hope that for their sake she reconsiders her behaviour, but you're right - in the end that is her decision to make, not mine. I've said my piece and would now like to say no more on the subject.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#104 - 2013-09-01 15:42:15 UTC
You said you are acusing madame Ivory of being either incompetent or a liar and that you very much hope it's the latter. Basically calling her a liar, yes.

Secondly, I'm a bit fascinated by almost demanding tone of yours about how one should and should not pilot a spaceship or treat her or his crew. Commanding a ship the way madame Ivory presented clearly shows there is no greater risk involved as the ratio of injuries / casulties is the same as in a classic pod-piloted spaceships.

You are free to have and express your opinion, however I kindly remind you that as we are at Intergalactic Summit -- passive-aggresive calling other fellow pilots as incompetent / liars just because they are doing things a bit differently than you -- is rather an untasteful behavior.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2013-09-01 20:04:29 UTC
Miss Grace, there is no need to defend my choise and actions, unless ofcourse it is from a more general aspect acording to social behavior in this forum... as for my choise, i am not sure Mr Stitcher is fully aware of why, and have the all the parameters to why i chose to do as i do, its true i could allways pilot the ship, and have it run a maximum performance, but allowing the crew to take charge and pilot on their own accord, give them experience, it allows me to analyse how they behave on their own, both from a tactical and social perspective, their experience is important to me, as their safety, as i run several ships within my beurough, and i can only pilot one of the ships i own and employ, so for their sake, they need the oportunities to grow as a crew
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-09-02 00:00:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Caroline Grace wrote:
You are free to have and express your opinion, however I kindly remind you that as we are at Intergalactic Summit -- passive-aggresive calling other fellow pilots as incompetent / liars just because they are doing things a bit differently than you -- is rather an untasteful behavior.


Passive-aggressive? I take offense at that. There was nothing passive about my aggression - I flat called her either a liar or an idiot, and I did so because it is my honest opinion.

Distasteful though you may find it, I find it distasteful to accept as a mere foible another pilot's stated preference for flying their ship in a way that actively increases the risk to life and limb of all those serving aboard.

As for pilot Ivory, there is nothing - not a single mote of an obstacle - to prevent a crew from gaining in experience and competence with you in the pod. in fact gaining experience in pilot-out-of-pod operations distracts them from practicing the job they SHOULD be doing, and puts them in more danger to boot. This is all founded on the parameters you yourself have stated. Should I not be taking you at your word?

Caroline Grace wrote:
Secondly, I'm a bit fascinated by almost demanding tone of yours about how one should and should not pilot a spaceship or treat her or his crew.


I will readily tell another pilot when they're flying their ship wrong. I consider it my damn duty in fact; if not to the pilot then to the poor bastards she's endangering for no good reason.

You see, I've trained pilots in combat operations, I've led fleets, I've called targets. I've taught people how to spiral down under guns, how to boost-to-warp with a cloak and MWD, how to use their D-scans, how to be part of a disciplined and efficient fleet, how to scout, how to report intel, how to brief for an op, how to position the fleet for mutual advantage... I INVENTED finding galactic north so as to coordinate hit-and-run strikes.

About the single most long-term consistent activity of mine throughout my career has been educating other pilots in how to fly their ship correctly, so you're damn right that I'll give people a piece of my mind when I learn they're practicing improper crew management. don't get all bent out of shape at it, it's not aimed at you, and I would hope that it makes the person it IS aimed at rethink her approach and thereby improve her piloting.

Consider it my international gift to my fellow pilots - when you screw up, expect to get told what you're doing wrong. When that happens, HTFU and correct. Space is harsh and a thin skin will just get you laughed at in this job.

When somebody's frakking up bigtime, the people who TRULY respect them aren't the ones who tippy-toe around their delicate feelings, they're the ones who say "right, you're making a pig's ear of this. Get your ship together."

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#107 - 2013-09-02 09:10:03 UTC
The truth is that pilots who're sitting safe in their capsule oftentimes put their crew in greater danger, simply because they themselves are free from it.
Caroline Grace
Retrostellar Boulevard
#108 - 2013-09-03 17:47:39 UTC
One would say, Mr. Stitcher, that as a person who invented galactic north, helped million of pilots, gave away international gifts and also probably saved the whole universe at least three times in a row, you would not have to be so aggressive and arrogant while giving advices to other pilots when ~you~ think they are doing something wrong with their crew or a ship. Especially on a public summit.

But I guess I'm just living in a different universe, where I don't give a flying baked potato about people who have to back up their statements by recitation of their heroic deeds, but rather about their attitude and how well or badly they're expressing themselves on the topic.

I'm Caroline Grace, and this is my favorite musical on the Citadel.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-09-03 17:56:07 UTC
Ms. Grace,

I am shocked and appalled. Are you seriously implying that the approval of others and the requirements of self-validation are not vital and essential components for contributing thoughts and engaging in discussion on the Intergalactic Summit?

My good woman, you are seeking to overturn over a decade of history here on this particular Galnet forum. Truly, it is madness.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-09-03 17:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
... you know what, pilot Grace? For all that I'm irritated by what you just said, you're probably right, and any irritation I feel is therefore my fault. I'm letting ego get in the way again.

I apologize, pilot Ivory. I was out of line.

I do, however, stand by the criticism itself, even though it's perfectly true that I could have phrased it more diplomatically. yes, it's my opinion that she's in the wrong on this, but then again it's also my opinion that stars are hot.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Marcus Vatalaen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2013-09-03 18:52:14 UTC
My crew are just that. My Crew, a good bunch of folks from different backgrounds who came on my boat for thier own reasons. They're a good bunch of guys and dolls and I don't know where I'd be without them and thier... unique talents. Sure they can be a little problematic at times, maybe a little rowdy when we dock for a spell. That bein' said, dyin' is something that comes with the Capsuleerin' buisiness, more often than I'd personally like though I do what I can to keep My Crew safe. Fortunately my dear old man was good enough to leave me a hefty chunk of change, which I've set aside for life insurance, death benefits and the like. If we do happen to get fatalities then I'll say a few words for 'em at the nearest port, maybe write a letter to thier families. That bein' said, I haven't had to write many letters home yet fortunately and all the ones who survive come back and continue to fly with me, God only knows why.
Guess I must be doin somethin right somewhere.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2013-09-04 00:15:02 UTC
Captain Stitcher, there is really no offence taken, i truely beleave your critesism and your strongpoint is made from parameters you deem and value, and mean well with it... I employ alot of ships several miners, mostly skiffs, and several industrials, that run supplies and non military cargo, i simply cant operate all the ships i have, and being on the bridge with them is simply the best way to see how they work, as i said there is Missions and there is missions
Pius Rova
Doomheim
#113 - 2013-09-07 00:41:19 UTC
My crews consist of drugged slaves that I personally whip without mercy.
Sol Kal'orr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2013-09-07 08:18:26 UTC
I like to play with the self-destruct button. Just to freak them out.

And honestly, respecting them? Anyone silly enough to fly in a ship I'm commanding deserves everything they get.
Confliktus
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-09-09 07:23:34 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Confliktus wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
John Caligan wrote:
I've always been a firm believer that a strong captain-crew relationship is what makes a ship run best.

Nope. That's what an XO is for. Crew needs someone for that who actually walks on two legs and sees what they see when they are in the thick of it.

You are needed because the best way known to humanity to co-ordinate a ship is to give it a spirit. You are, essentially, a brain in a pod of goo, virtuals lying to it and convincing it it is a spaceship and implant feeds hijacking your brainpower to do things that would otherwise require a supercomputer. Essentially, you are a glorified automatic targeting and navigation system with motivations of its own.

The crew don't need you to pretend you are one of them and feel all warm and fuzzy by your awesome ability to connect with baseliners. They need you to do your freaking job and let them do theirs.

Else


Good lady i trust you never had to clone jump from your pod into "your body" on any given emergency to fight alongside your crew...

One of our jobs is to do exactly that, being able to be there when needed and to have the crew know that you are more then a glorified ship control system hanging on a pod full of goo like you said.

I for one enjoy coming out of the shell and experience human interaction now and then.


No. That is not our job. If you leave the ship without an active capsule in an emergency, you are risking the crew for what you, accurately, describe as your enjoyment of human interaction.

There's beds and tables enough on docksides for your enjoyment. When on your ship, do you gods-be-damned job.

Else


Miss Rhiannon i believe you misunderstood me.

For me when one such as we with an enhanced body does not make full use of its capabilities then i'd say its a waste of sorts, not that i am calling you a waste.

I have had situations were pirates have boarded my ship and i find it only natural to dispense with them in an apropriate manner.. that is by gunning them down, taking the fight into their ship, kill them all and blow the ship back to atoms by rigging the reactor cores.

In the process you bolster your crews morale just by having them known that you are there and that they are not expendable, that makes your crew work harder, for you and for themselves.

And again i muss stress out, i don't clone jump out of mere fun or attention seeking, nor do i do it recklessly... i have absolutely no fear to face my enemies face to face if need be.

And that Miss Rhiannon isn't social interaction, thats war, and woe to the capsuleer whom i cross paths with and thinks i'm on some joy ride tour.. he/she will find out that i have absolutely no such problems as to send a couple rockets flying straight into his comand bridge .

Camper101
State War Academy
Caldari State
#116 - 2013-09-09 12:38:05 UTC
I basically don't pay them much attention. Except for when they make mistakes. Then the Airlock pays them attention. They are expendable.

2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.

My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger.

Erik Kaassan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#117 - 2013-09-09 17:20:39 UTC
Pius Rova wrote:
My crews consist of drugged slaves that I personally whip without mercy.


You must have a killer HR department...
Edgar Audeles
Cogwerx LTD.
#118 - 2013-09-10 10:55:34 UTC
Brothers and Sisters, All. I fly the independent flag, So i don't exactly get a 'Draft Notice' to pull who i want. Just Vagabonds and some Refugees from wherever i go.

They're all a good bunch, happy to have them all on board as my personal mining crew... Except Ronald right now. He blew up an engine last week and I'm still pretty pissed about that, but other then that. We got booze, a few families and a 1st class ticket to learning how to use mining tools and actually make some damn product to ship around. All and all, I'm not the best Captain on this listing, but I'd like to say that i take care of my friends.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#119 - 2013-09-10 11:33:33 UTC
Sol Kal'orr wrote:
I like to play with the self-destruct button. Just to freak them out.

And honestly, respecting them? Anyone silly enough to fly in a ship I'm commanding deserves everything they get.

And now I hope no one will doubt that the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Roland Schlosser
Entropy Engine
#120 - 2013-09-10 16:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Roland Schlosser
Crew on my ships are treated in the same manner as the equipment they are paid to run and maintain. They are taken care of physically and mentally, and are paid well for their service, but every crew member knows that when it come to their value, they are all as replaceable as the ship they are maintaining.

Crew are tools to be used in furthering my personal agenda, and in the furthering of my corporations agenda. I make no contact with them outside of what is required to keep my ships fully functional, and operating at peak efficiency. The only exceptions to this are the XO's, whom I have hand picked specifically for each ship. They handle the daily operations of my ships, and see that the rest of the crew is kept fit for duty.

Each of my ships is staffed at 85% of escape pod capacity. Escape pods are equipped to sustain their occupants for 1 week. If a ship must be abandoned, the crew knows that I will take reasonable measures to ensure their safety, and their safe return to the nearest station in Hi-security space. This is not out of concern for the crew specifically, but I find it better to make an attempt to retrieve my experienced crew before attempting to hire a new inexperienced crew. From their they are transferred to the station holding my replacement ship, or if a replacement has not been purchased they are given shore leave until a replacement has been sourced.

Contract termination is not allowed by any party, except in cases where the crew member in question has shown gross negligence in the performance of his/her duties, or has committed acts of sabotage. In the case of the former, they will be left at the nearest station with enough ISK to book passage to Hi-Sec. In cases of sabotage, they and their belonging are vented from the nearest airlock, and their contract is rendered null and void.