Assembly Hall

Issue
Respawning belts just don’t make sense from a RP or anti-bot perspective. Remove them from the game and spawn random, small ice and ore Gravimetric sites instead.


Criteria
It is critical that these mining sites in empire be accessible from the system scanner and not probes to ensure mining remains ‘new-player’ friendly. These sites should be small enough to last 30 minutes or so (40,000 m3) in a hulk before running out of ore. Also, a site despawn time of 3 to 4 hours should be set to ensure that fresh sites are always available.


Low Sec
Low sec should have full access to the high end ores and ice currently found only in null sec. They should also offer increasing quantities of ore to facilitate large, group mining ops. Everyone knows that no one bothers mining in low sec because the ore value is trivial. Low sec is every bit, if not more dangerous than null sec. The rewards should reflect this.


Null Sec
Low and null sec mining sites should require scan probes to find to reflect their difficulty and value. Without this mechanic low sec roams would consist of jumping into a system, hitting scan and then warping in on a “helpless” mining op. With probes, the miners can at least have a fighting chance with the directional scan and local.

I like the sound of that. It would also slow down 0.0 rat bots...i think?





I like the sound of that too. I have cc'ed your ideas to a similar post on assembly hall.

I agree that all belts should be gravimetric sites BUT:

- The lowest quality of these sites should be anomalies. This is for new players so that they can mine in a single ship without the need for a probe launcher. These sites should only appear in Hi-Sec.

- Each system gains an ore-density statistic which governs the probability of sites forming. A combination of security and governing nation (for hi-sec) should decide what is in the fields. The size of field should be dependant solely on ore-density.

- Null-sec ores should be available in very limited quantity in low-sec, however they will be displaced away from planets and require decent scanning skills to narrow down.

I just think the two ships thing is awkward for new players. Some more suitable alternatives to this could be allowing the 'mining frigates' to mount probe launchers alongside the 2 lasers, with a negative effect on probe capacity to prevent these ships becoming exploration vessels. OR just make veld sites anomalies. However I suppose making them all sig's would cut down on botting.



Point taken.

A possible viable option may be:

1. leave 0.8 thru 1.0 as they are. Gives the newer players something to mine and those belts are fairly small anyway.
2. move all ore and ice belts +0.7 down to lowest null to GRAV sites.

Supported if the mining ships could get a spare high for a probe launcher.

pretty good but needs probing.


Actually to fight botting you'd want these sites to only be probe-able. There are haven / sanctum bots that can use the system scanner. If you are worried about new players there are two things you could do.

1. making a probing tutorial mission that comes before the mining tutorial mission. Hell you could use that bigass TV in the captains quarters to play that one youtube tutorial video.

2. Leave belts there but only fill them with veldspar and scordite.


I would give them one or two rare ores that do not appear in highsec but not ALL rare ores that show up in null. People fight for sov out there for a reason.

Also in lowsec being in a probed site is actually a safety feature. When hostiles warp in they have to actually probe out the grav sites instead of just shotgunning the belts or running a quick system scan and heading to grav sites.


People already mine in grav sites out in null. All getting rid of belts would do out here is maybe stop some botters. Although I doubt that anyone would want to bot mine belts out in null. I'd be tempted to leave belts in nullsec.

Bookmarks would negate that. That, or you just put two miners in a belt and make sure only one leaves at a time.





That's just laughable. "I claim this rock in the name of ME!" "But I claimed it first!" "Nuh uh!"

Seriously, people. Think this stuff through before you actually click post.



Bots can fleet, they just don't because they don't need to. It would be simple to manually put a bot in a fleet, or to automate it joining to an advertised fleet.

Using an orca is plenty rewarding right now. When I did mining as part of my exploration, I ran two hulks and an orca when I could have run three hulks. Why? Because it was a lot easier and more productive than three solo hulks.

From what I understand, most miners (bots and otherwise) use bookmarks anyway.

+1