Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your running under the assumption that using dscan is hard, that there are enough quality wormholes around, that wormholes arent often one jump from hisec without you even knowing/a ***** to live in, and that everyone isnt already in hisec doing missions anyway.
Also who is gonna build dem supercaps?

Why would anyone need supercaps if they weren't fighting over sov? If sov wasn't worth it, supercaps wouldn't be needed.

Because high sec space, especially in the event that an alliance has war decs against it, is currently more dangerous than null.

In high sec space, you can be scouted by out of corp alts, and they can provide a warp in right on top of you. Forget cynos, the guy you were ignoring a minute ago might start shooting you because you look like you are worth the loot.

In null space, you can avoid all non blue pilots. Short of an awoxxer that could already attack you anywhere in EVE, you can avoid risk completely.

Now, please explain why this mechanic, which has been twisted into an OP advantage like I just explained, is so necessary in what is laughably the most dangerous space in the game short of a wormhole?

And Cynos? Seriously???

Please read, and feel free to dispute if if you possibly can:

Hot Dropping: Bridging is intended to bypass reinforced blockades and travel time. Here, it has been fine tuned to avoid advertising the presence of a fleet to the free intel tool as well by delaying the easily recognizable population spike till the last possible moment. The intention is to deny the warning local provides, although it still reports the presence of the cyno boat enough to be associated with AFK Cloaking instead.
Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

You are way off there.

I am a miner, not a hunter.

I am watching my game become more difficult because the devs are rolling back availability of rewards.
Rewards that are not balanced to exist, because the risk getting them is turning out to be very limited.

And with limited risk, the rewards must also be limited.

I want better rewards, and I am quite happy accepting the risk. I would like to compete by making an effort against another player, rather than a default action that always works 100% of the time.

Instead, I must play this absurd racing game, against players I am trying to help, to get to a limited number of high quality ice fields.

I would rather risk being shot at by hostiles, and have back the previous version of the ice. Safety is not worth meaningless play opportunities, and a miner with nothing worth mining is pretty meaningless.

**** me, you're like a broken record. Yes, null space has an advantage over high. THAT's WHY IT'S NOT FREE. But null only just has an advantage over WH space. REmoving local makes null WAY WAY WAY more dangerous than WH space due to the additional unknowns, and it's already only just more profitable. So again, I ask you, what would encourage an alliance to live in null over a WH.


I don't really know what you want me to comment on here...
How does this have any bearing on what I was saying? WH space can't by jumped into. Null space can. If you couldn't see anyone on local, and couldn't dscan out the covops dropping it, you could have an entire fleet of bombers and blops jumped into a null system with 0 warning. This can't happen in WH space. This is one reason the lack of local matters less.

L O L
Yeah must be it. Low sec is just crawling with supers all over. And covert ops ships never kill anything solo. You must be one of them geniuses.
My sincerest apologies, I didn't realise you were a nub.

I don't think you understand how WHs work if you think that a nullsec alliance could ever move into a single WH (or even a group of them) without extreme discomfort. First, cramming that many people into a single WH would make it's overall profitability per member worse than mining in Highsec with a T1 Cruiser. . . . without boosts or L5 skills. . . The area would be so congested that dscan would be useless: "Are the 14 new ships on dscan all ours?" Rolling static connections to find HS/PvP/PvE would be a nightmare as no reasonable amount of control could be maintained over it. PI would eventually die out from overpopulation, POS storage would be inadequate (unless you allow insane amounts of system pollution through anchored cans) and so on and so forth.

Also. no moongoo (arguably the primary motivation of SOV atm)

That really only leaves the option of moving into multiple WHs which defeats the entire purpose of a nullsec alliance: system control. The best you can do is ensure all WHs you move into have the same static to allow your alliance to roll into eachother as needed (if lucky). You would also need to figure out a way to properly divide the alliance into said WHs without ruining any existing collaborations between members.

At the end of the day, the logistical nightmare of all this is never going to be more appealing to nullsec SOV. I can understand arguments for and against having local (I happen to fall on the side against it being in nullsec, specifically), but I refuse the idea that local is somehow the "only thing" preventing nullsec alliances from moving to WHs.

WHs are the "only thing" preventing nullsec alliances from moving to WHs. . .

Since we're talking about eve "reality," how about the reality in which my stealth technology renders your ship scanners useless, or how about i simply blow your "automated ship scanner" to space dust.

The game would be way more interesting with no local, it's as simple as that.

Perhaps systems with stations in them could have a local channel with the right station upgrades. That's about the only thing I can see that's reasonable.

Quoted for Mo'fuckin truth!

mm well lets can live out local just 2x or 3x the isk income in null sec