Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, quite honestly null sec is the place to easily AVOID pew.

No where else in EVE does a chat channel give the opportunity to dock up the moment a neutral or hostile pilot shows up in system.

Frankly, for many of these pilots, it has evolved effectively into consensual PvP only. If they want to avoid you, they can.

All you can do is stick around, and hope one of them gets so frustrated that they make a mistake.

Do you not see how this makes you a hypocrite? You are arguing that we aren't allowed to have our easy way, in our own space, but you want an easy way of traveling into it undetected.

Also, null would get emptier if this change were to be made. Less people would see a reason to be there, as there would be too much risk. I personally would pull all of my mining operations into WH space, as I cant be hot-dropped there and can control the size of the ships that can get to me. High sec incursions would become the lower risk higher profit method of farming isk.

This is a prime example of an idea that you have only considered from your single, narrow viewpoint, and have not considered what the wider consequences of a change like this would be. All you had to do was search the forums for one of the other several hundred threads discussing it.

why are there so many threads about this idea? because its my single, narrow, viewpoint right?

they might see me go in, but they would not know if I left when they did not look...

too many words have been posted on this topic, I can feel it, CCP should just switch it for a month and we see how it goes, if alliances ragequit, no problem change it back, sure we need stuff out there to shoot at

I gotta jump in here, and point out a few fallacies of logic just floating through this.

You describe his effort, of entering your space undetected, as being easy.

This is very misleading, as the only easy thing would be for him to be ambushed.

The advantage is strictly limited to those who hold sov, since they can and will create intel channels. These channels do include reports from dedicated observation posts, obviously. But a lot of the reports occur because of chance encounters that took no more effort than simply typing the details into the chat window.

The hostile has no such resource. They have no intel channel for someone else's territory.
If they managed to slip into your channel, they would see only updates on the movements of other hostiles. Quite useless, for the most part.

Yes, they can look at various map resources, and see where mining and ratting DID occur. In the past.
They may even have good information as to where popular mining and ratting can be found in your space.

But without local, they have no CURRENT intel. They are blind, relying on a mental image that they hope is good enough to stumble across a target unprepared for them.

Local is their crutch, telling them who is where, and whether they are still present. All the information they would have significant trouble getting on their own, and that your forces should have already known.

Now, who does local actually help?

Free intel to the next level.

Go on, kill the risk for your PvE efforts even further...

Now realize the rewards in null are tied to this risk.

Local is **** in empire low too. Someone can camp a gate and know exactly who is coming. This means any attempt to attack a camp results in them running and blue balls.
The problem with eve is that it is actually possible to be effectively invincible anywhere unless your a ****, partly because you are omnipotent.
The only place local should stay is hisec because of the need to find specific people in a massive crowd.

No, The easy this would be for him to ambush others. He's already in a covops, he can warp cloaked. Gatecamps would be no different from as they are now, but if he warped into a system, with noone on gate, then cloak warped to a safe, he can dscan out a miner, or a ratter, then wait for the best time to strike. This is what he wants. He doesn't want a fair fight, he doesn't want combat. He wants to be able to geain an absolute advantage over easy prey.


Sure the alliances have the advantage of intel channels, but without local it would be far too easy for a single ship to infiltrate deep into sov territory without being spotted, then pop a cyno and drop a whole fleet in. The whole idea of owning the territory is to allow you to control it. The removal of the local channel would make it logistically impossible to do, as you would need to have people actively watching gates all over the place, to try to catch ha glimpse of passes through.

The removal of local from null would cause a lot of the isk making population of null to migrate to less risky ventures. It's only just worth doing anoms and mining in null as it is with the shipping. Removing local, thus allowing blind hotdrops would tip this over the edge. Why do all of this in null when you can grab a wormhole with a high sec static, then camp the entrance with a single fleet, safely mining and collecting sleeper loot inside? Removal of local from null would simply make null just like WH space, except without collapsible gates, with more entrances, further from high sec, and with the ability to cyno. In short it would become one of the dumbest places to live, especially with moon income heavily reduced.

The OP is not an explorer, he is a single player that wants to be able to kill masses of ships in null space solo. Please read his other threads...
Also, what would you explore? There's nearly nothing in null sec as it is, with the removal of miners and PVE players, you'd only find the moon goo shippers. You might find PvP players during ops.

I'm not saying it's the only thing letting null sec players hold their space. I'm simply saying the reward would not be good enough to stay there vs the cos of sov. It would be too risky to pay billions of isk to stay there, when you could simply take a few wormholes and make nearly the same with less risk, and a shorter trip to high sec. Why the **** would an alliance pay billions of isk to have what would essentially be a hotdroppable wormhole 30 jumps from high sec. You realise sov isn't free right?

Yeah... Great idea.
Come on CCP. **** off the biggest news making section of your playerbase, and the section that provides the majority of higher minerals and T2 components, just as a test, then if it doesn't work, home they come running back when you change it back.

I tell you what Harry (and yes i know this will get me blocked). In the same way, why not try hammering a nail into a wall by smashing your eyeballs into it as hard as you can. If it doesn't work, you can then use a hammer.