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showing up on local has to be removed

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2013-08-13 08:06:35 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead


The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online.


big alliances scared by pubbies

noted

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#62 - 2013-08-13 08:29:41 UTC
very old topic. still +1.

It's too easy to control vast ranges of space in eve: local and force projection. oh, people whining about afk cloaks?

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-08-13 08:37:24 UTC
Harry, I am now a little convinced of the possibility that you are somebody's alt playing badly on purpose just for the sake of trolling on the forums.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#64 - 2013-08-13 08:45:29 UTC
samualvimes wrote:



YES CCP NERF FRIENDS AND ORGANISATION!!!


You have lost. Thanks for playing, though.

Next!

Ni.
Pierrot le fou
Amarrian Inquist Order
#65 - 2013-08-13 08:50:01 UTC
Daily dose of Harry Forever.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-08-13 08:51:24 UTC
I too joined an mmo so I could play on my own
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#67 - 2013-08-13 08:53:11 UTC
Yup local removal is long overdue. A transponder system shaped much like the safety switch could be offered to players who wish to remain in local lists.
Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-08-13 08:57:37 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead


The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online.


big alliances scared by pubbies

noted


We are only scared of posting as bad as yours.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#69 - 2013-08-13 09:07:37 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
we heared NO a couple of times, however no argumets for it... interesting


Stop being bad?


are you defending your future renting empire income here?
I imagine renters do not love the proposal. or slumlords.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-08-13 09:10:04 UTC
Aliventi wrote:
Remove local. It is time for effortless perfect intel to die. If you want that level of intel you must work for it. If you catch me jumping through a gate by actually seeing me from your cloaked ship off gate that is fine. Knowing I am there when your alt is perfectly safe inside a station and looking at local is not.

The prey have used the effortless perfect intel provided by local to make nullsec safer than highsec. That violates the "Risk vs. Reward" aspect of nullsec. Literally the only reason to die in nullsec ratting/mining/carebearing is you blatantly ignored your effortless perfect intel source. It is time to remove this advantage from the prey and allow the hunter to instill the fear that has been absent from nullsec back in the prey. If the prey still wishes to pillage the riches of nullsec then they must face the risk involved. Remove local and the risk come back. If you wish to be safer then put the effort in to collecting the necessary intel to be safer. A simple set of eyes cloaked off a gate should be sufficient.

Do not be naive and think local only provides and advantage to the prey. The advantage local provides to the prey is far greater than the advantage provided to the hunter. However, the hunter still benefits from local. How would they know there is prey to kill if not for local? If you remove local then the hunter must adapt also. No longer can they roam through systems instantly knowing it is empty or not. They must put in effort and skill to find prey if it is there at all. This may even make the prey safer as they can use skill instead of an effortless perfect intel source to evade a skilled hunter.

Local is for chat, not intel. Remove the perfect effortless intel aspect from local to restore it to its intended role: chat. This will restore the risk to nulslec and the balance back to the hunter and the prey.


+1 for me and thats comming from a renting ****** as im.

I think use const chat then , then you know atleast sombody is around a few jumps.

With the removol of local i like to see then a 15min timer on the cloack modules , cutting my own fingers here a little cause i have alts around deklein for the fun of it.

o/

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2013-08-13 09:12:37 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead


The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online.


big alliances scared by pubbies

noted


We are only scared of posting as bad as yours.


scared about people telling the truth

noted

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#72 - 2013-08-13 09:16:42 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
I too joined an mmo so I could play on my own


its called P vs. P for a reason, not P + P

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#73 - 2013-08-13 09:27:00 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
as an expert in passing gatecamps i was able to get through

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Escaping a gatecamp in a covops does not make you an expert, it makes you at least 10% awake, and that's all.

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Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-08-13 09:32:29 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
I too joined an mmo so I could play on my own


its called P vs. P for a reason, not P + P


Tell us more about your Pee Pee
RaTTuS
BIG
#75 - 2013-08-13 09:33:52 UTC
this then would make bigger alliances more invulnerable,
as they can have more people scanning the systems before hand so you still get taken out but you don't know who was scanning you down.

1 cloaked alt on each gate and aware people you stand no chance of moving anywhere

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#76 - 2013-08-13 09:36:51 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
[quote=Aliventi]perfect intel to die. If you want that level of intel you must work for it.

you blatantly ignored your effortless perfect intel source.

Local is for chat, not intel.


Perfect intel? Have you ever BEEN in an intel channel? I will give you a common example:

Someguy1 > woah
Someguy1 > **** like a bunch of guys on 4-ep gate in 3we
Cooldude2 > How many?
Someguy1 > I dunno man i burned back to gate. like 40?
Cooldude2 > what ship types?
Someguy1 > cruisers i think
5 minutes later
Cooldude2 > are they still there?
10 minutes later
Cooldude2 > 4-ep gate in 3WE status?
10 minutes later
Someguy2 > clear

Just an example, but quite common. Intel is not perfect, it is fallible, it is human, it has errors, it has holes. Often enough a cruiser gang will enter in EC-P8R, disappear off intel for 30 minutes, show up in Deklein intel, then when a friendly gang is there to find them, they already left towards Cloud Ring, and no one in Fade noticed because they weren't at their screen.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-08-13 09:43:15 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
we heared NO a couple of times, however no argumets for it... interesting


According to your OP, which states "everyone who disagrees can now cry below" or some such, you aren't interested in arguments against this idea. According to how you block everyone that disagrees with you or actually provides an argument against this idea, you aren't interested in arguments against this idea.

Because you aren't interested in arguments against this idea, we can safely extrapolate that you aren't interested in discussion, you just want your Lego playpack now and dammit, if mummy says no once more you're just gonna block your ears, jump up and down and scream "LALALALALALALALALALA" at the top of your lungs.

I know what your problem is, though. You can't handle rejection. You aren't interested in potential new ideas that could alter the way you think, you just want everything and everyone to cater to your ideas and if they don't, or show signs of disagreement, you're just going to block them out before they get the chance to do it to you.

You're not alone, however. There are many like-minded individuals out there that I'm sure you can find some acceptance with. There are groups that gather to discuss pseudoscience like homoeopathy, anti-vaccination and creationism, they'll have your back for sure. You'll make a lot of real friends there.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Biff Ekpyrion
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2013-08-13 10:11:55 UTC
I think that, in order to have local as it works today, there should have to be a beacon built in the system.

The beacon could be built by a corp/alliance and could also be destroyed by anyone (with maybe less HP and cost than a POS).

This way, the chance for intel would be there, but it would require some effort. It would also spice up the fleet strategies.



As it is now, null sec is far safer than highsec, which I suppose isn't really in the spirit of null sec being the lawless frontier, or whatever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2013-08-13 10:26:40 UTC
I just don't get why people don't do a forum search before posting this crap. It's not like it hasn't been done to death.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Josef Djugashvilis
#80 - 2013-08-13 10:29:36 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Burl en Daire wrote:
Local is offensive and defensive, I think removing local would hurt newer or inexperienced more than it would help. Removing local would not stop gate camps or Intel channels.


it would make the game much more interesting, it also would be closer to reality, intel channels would need to look at the gates to see if somebody goes through, now they can just have an alt at a safespot

new players do not even know how to use it, I had to be one month into the game until I realized that this channel shows everybody who is in the system, its totally unimportant for new players

new players can also use the map to see if pilots are in the system, thats much better vs. the local chat that just shows the experienced players that a newb is in the system

I'm not talking about removing gatecamps, I'm talking about removing the possibility to prepare a camp upfront because of this intel channel, its just too easy for experience players to see a newb coming to their territory


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