Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The uncertainty of ship or fleet location, type, etc. is not removed by removing afk cloaking, hence the risk they add is still the same.

That's a winner.

Back on topic:

Scenario 1:

So you're Alliance\Corp\Fleet is forming up a Cov-Ops Fleet and are heading to the system say 30 Jumps out...all Cov-Ops so all requiring fuel for their cloaking devices. The fleet size is 1000 ships and is coming from all corners of the EVE universe.
Now you have to bring in Jump and\or Frieghters\Orca's\Blockade Runners\Deep Space Transports to feed all those cloaked ships with fuel.

Now the people in Local will see everyone arrive and if they get within D-Scan as they drop cloak to refuel will have an idea of what ships are in the fleet...even though everyone is active AKA Non-AFK Mode and trying ot be all sneaky.

Scenario 2:

No one uses Cov-Ops because it is now so limited it's pointless.
Hot Drops are the future or just plain blob wars.
Explorers won't stray far from Hi-Sec so that they can keep fuel supplies up.
Null Sec get's safer and the rewards get less because guess what? If you can't get fuel you won't get cloakers. Nullbears rejoice
People using Blockade Runners for picking up\dropping of goods to Low-Sec, PI or other manufacturing or resupply now have to use up space in their limited cargoholds for fuel...and on a ship that is specialised in operating Covert Ops Cloaking technology.

Cov-Ops dies and everyone demands Skill-Point reimbursement drowning the forums in threads similar to ones like this.

Which part of this kills Cloaking don't you get yet with 16 pages?

The character in the game and the player are two different entities. Consider everyting I said with that in mind.

But why does it need balancing if it's not about being realistic..?

I have read the entire thread, what you posted on page 3 is what stuck with me the most, the fact you demand it changing yet have not stated (STILL) how it affects you directly and a viable alternative.

Because it's science fiction, it doesn't have to be realistic, it just have to make sense. By making sense I mean cloaking should'nt be do things like turn your ship into an unicorn and jump you to Jita. Cloaking itself is not realistic. If you read past the third page you will se that I already rebated the submarine analogy by saying you can't just fit a nuclear reactor to a ship and make it submergible. So let's scrap out the 'realistic' real world analogies and think about things that make sense to the game.

Except active cloaked players do have plenty of risk. Their ships are inherently limited as far as tank and dps, they have to obviously move about to get to systems, the minute they actually want to do something they have to drop cloak and expose themselves. Etc. You keep refusing to acknowledge the fact that they are at risk, and that there are things that balance out the cloaks abilities. They aren't rewarded with anything by being cloaked unless you explicitly decide to reward them by changing your playstyle.



By adding something like capacitor drain you absolutely destroy countless ACTIVE PLAYERS playstyles. I'll repeat them AGAIN because you keep deliberately ignoring them: Active pilots doing reconnaissance - they can't do what they do without running out of cap or fuel or whatever. People on bombing runs can't set up without being exposed or having to leave. People setting up tactical warp ins. Every single player in wormhole space. Again you keep deliberately ignoring the massive detrimental effects your awful idea would have to countless ACTIVE players.

If you want your "its about afks!" smokescreen to be taken seriously, then you need to bloody address how horrendous your idea is to ACTIVE players. But we all know it's just a smokescreen, and what you really want is to remove uncertainty and risk for yourself. The nature of the ideas themselves demonstrate this, your posting demonstrates this, and your constant attempts at changing what the issue and goals are demonstrate this.



Even if I believed your goal wasn't to remove uncertainty and risk - and I don't believe that at all - you have to face the fact that this is what the ideas proposed actually do. They remove uncertainty and risk, with no balance in the other direction, and that's the ONLY thing they do, they don't increase activity or the GUDFITES or anything else, all they do is remove risk and make null safe and boring and awful.

Then everyone requires fuel because then and only then can you ensure that everyone is playing the game. And you are just assuming by the way as you have countless times in this thread that so-and-so didn't read past Page 3,

Just who do you think you are to demand that everyone be actively playing the game? Is the person sat in system for four hours at a safe spot waiting for his friends to show up and add to a gate-camp active? No, he isn't he's just sat there and watching YouTube but you don't want him to use fuel do you?

But you DO want Cloaked ships to use fuel...now why is that? Ah yes, because you fear the cloaker, you have the sense that you are not alone and you are not alone, he maybe there cloaked or he may just be there in a non-cloaked ship, you don't know where he is but he's there or maybe he isn't. Maybe he's AFK but you don't like the fear and it runs deep within you.

You don't want to dock\safespot up or move systems or have buddies on standby or even change your Max ISK\PH fit for a little extra security so you "Forum Whine" and complain "NERF CLOAKS MOAR".

EDIT: The only reason you know you are not alone is...aww here we go again: Local.

The cap drain can't be drastic to the point it ruin the active players game, just something that add the risk of module deactivation if people just ignore the fact that their character is online and in dangerous space. Maybe just 1 tick above cap recharge.

For adding risk to nullbears there's already the remove local idea. I approve it. It doesn't change the problem of afk cloaking in lowsec though hence I chose to address this problem. We good?

1 tick above flat out no cap you mean? And how would that not destroy cloaking for the active player i.e. Me!?