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[Proposal] Make the Abilitiy to Attack Corp Members a Grantable Role.

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Kyon Rheyne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-08-20 08:12:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyon Rheyne
Lykouleon wrote:

Quote:
All those who are trying to retort with real world examples miss (I hope unintentionally) one very important thing. In real world the corporation in fact has ways to retaliate.

War decs, locator agents, mail spam about former wrongdoings, bounties (HEH, bad joke), hiring NOIR, posting about them...yeah, we have no way to retaliate against people who do naughty things in EVE.

You aren't really trying to imply all that you've mentioned are equally disastrous outcomes to having your family tortured or your life and career ruined, are you? War decs, that can be made totally useless just by all members of targeted corp unsubscribing from it for a week. And whom you would declare it to? To some NPC corp this alt of an awoxer belonged to before you've let him in your corp? Mail spam of specific account, which is just a mere nuisanse, and due to multi-account nature of EVE gameplay won't do any harm at all to a player this account belongs to. Posting on forums which only will attracts criticism and ironies. Is that all you've got? Its nothing, and no awoxer/corp spy will ever be frightened by those. He just will create/buy another char, in most cases, it will already be another alt of him. The EVE universe offers no solid ways to retaliate in such cases, period. Thats why we have some rules that limit player's activities in the game. No impersonation, no repeating, meaningless harrasment of other players - like those. Because there is no way to fight it like you would do IRL. What topicstarter is trying to propose is just another such rule, thats all. There is no way to somehow check backstory of newly accepted corp member, other than employment history, which hardly can be of help in case of some alt or buyed character. There is no way you could somehow spy on your members, make all their activities logged for your Security Department to analyze; you can't even trust their former employers because they could be those who are ploting against you in the first place. You can't monitor their communications because no sane awoxer/spy will use ingame mail for such talks, and even chat system (which you can't monitor at all, even through API). In cases where RL human will defenitly know he will pay dear price, EVE awoxer who are using fresh alt for the job knows he will pay nothing at all. Thats why this should attract attention of game designers crew.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#22 - 2013-08-22 08:42:36 UTC
Did an awoxer kill your ability to use paragraphs?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#23 - 2013-08-22 12:22:49 UTC
Kyon Rheyne wrote:
Lykouleon wrote:

Quote:
All those who are trying to retort with real world examples miss (I hope unintentionally) one very important thing. In real world the corporation in fact has ways to retaliate.

War decs, locator agents, mail spam about former wrongdoings, bounties (HEH, bad joke), hiring NOIR, posting about them...yeah, we have no way to retaliate against people who do naughty things in EVE.

You aren't really trying to imply all that you've mentioned are equally disastrous outcomes to having your family tortured or your life and career ruined, are you? War decs, that can be made totally useless just by all members of targeted corp unsubscribing from it for a week. And whom you would declare it to? To some NPC corp this alt of an awoxer belonged to before you've let him in your corp? Mail spam of specific account, which is just a mere nuisanse, and due to multi-account nature of EVE gameplay won't do any harm at all to a player this account belongs to. Posting on forums which only will attracts criticism and ironies. Is that all you've got? Its nothing, and no awoxer/corp spy will ever be frightened by those. He just will create/buy another char, in most cases, it will already be another alt of him. The EVE universe offers no solid ways to retaliate in such cases, period. Thats why we have some rules that limit player's activities in the game. No impersonation, no repeating, meaningless harrasment of other players - like those. Because there is no way to fight it like you would do IRL. What topicstarter is trying to propose is just another such rule, thats all. There is no way to somehow check backstory of newly accepted corp member, other than employment history, which hardly can be of help in case of some alt or buyed character. There is no way you could somehow spy on your members, make all their activities logged for your Security Department to analyze; you can't even trust their former employers because they could be those who are ploting against you in the first place. You can't monitor their communications because no sane awoxer/spy will use ingame mail for such talks, and even chat system (which you can't monitor at all, even through API). In cases where RL human will defenitly know he will pay dear price, EVE awoxer who are using fresh alt for the job knows he will pay nothing at all. Thats why this should attract attention of game designers crew.


No. It shouldn't attract the attention of the game designers. The game designers explicitly advertise these god damn mechanics in their advertisements for the game, showcasing it as a bloody feature. Are you lot so off base that you don't understand that CCP want this kind of treachery and backstabbing to be possible? Have you missed the point of this game entirely? Bloody hell!
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-08-22 14:10:07 UTC


You know what is so great about this game, you can **** with the minds of other players with out even firing a shot.....
umbora
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-08-27 00:00:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Did an awoxer kill your ability to use paragraphs?



No but I think an AWOXER touched him in a bad place.

who's AWOXing who

Dav Varan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-28 16:08:37 UTC
Great Idea.

Its about time AWOXing needed more effort than clicking the apply button and then AWOX.

Corp newbies ( including awoxers ) should earn trust on the job not at the front door.

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