Player Features and Ideas Discussion

well but that doesnt have to be an problem with level IV mission, does it ?

It could be problem on the other part of the train, aka why he is not able to make isk at the place he is now. I probably know the answer, however he made that choice, its his way how he wants to play.

Changing the entire gameplay for many in order to deny something from them is not gonna make the guy who made an alt to do lvl IVs mission any happier, will it ?

The problem is that running missions regardless of the ISK made is the easy way out.

Would EVE be a better game if more people traded/built/researched/explored etc.? It couldn't hurt it
Would you in the long run make more ISK in other ventures in highsec? According to posters in this thread yes.

Essentially all missions have become is a place to make relatively easy ISK with small investment and absolutely zero social interaction in a sandbox game.

True, however its necessary evil. Accordingly to some statistics i read somewhere there is really an huge chunk of people living in high sec comparing to the null/low.

Some of them dont have time convenience to actually be bothered with other aspects of the game. And as i pointed out before the "recent" changes to anomalies will not get those with time and somewhat passive attitude into nullsec any time soon.

And missions can be done in groups you know, you can do fleet of ten people and do lvl IVs problem is the human attitude which incline to the part when you want better isk/hr ratio. There are some far more viable options for isk/hr ratio most of it doesnt even require you to undock

Yes lvl IVs can be viable ISK maker and yes it doesnt require group but so does any other activity actually if you know how and got at least two accounts you can actually do anything solo. Only restriction for some professions is having an blue nullsec possibly with your corporation/alliance owning an sovereignty .

I dont log to game as frequently as i used to and sometime i just log in and just reading chats, offering help time to time with lvl II missions, bought an Omen for it.

The human interaction cannot be forced, if someone try it the people who actually play the game for its possibility to do stuff alone will not get into ganks and start doing other things they will most likely un-sub. Would less subscriptions be better to EVE ? I guess not.

If someone wants to do the stuff you mentioned and wants to be part of something "greater" than his own need for best isk/hr ratio he will get into it.

It has actually been nothing like that. It has been a good discussion with valid points raised. Quit shitting it up.

Eve in a nutshell

- terrible FPS in space. How do you counter its an MMO sandbox when 99% of the community wants to shoot you first thing on site once you load grid. Yeah, very much like when you see a Soldier9313 lugging around a shotgun, LMS, or assault rifle you blast his ass as it comes around the corner. So much for a MMORPG, swear to god EVE is a "ground breaking FPS since 2003"

- terrible cost of risk vs reward. Sorry bro, my sub pays for my time. Not to entertain you. For that monthly sub, I choose to not be screwed over by you, your dog, your aunt, and cousin....just because you can. I have better things to do then let my trust get used by you, to benifit you, and waste the time paid for by my money so you can steal my assets and pod the crap out of me.

- terrible ROI vs time. I gave up on lowsec a long time ago, from the top two reasons. No matter how much time I spent looking, scouting, checking maps and Dotlan I was always caught within 3 jumps for the hours I spent looking. For the days and weeks spent training for a ship, it goes boom in minutes - why, FPS syndrome. So much for MMO interaction, amirite? Would I pay ransom, **** no cause "I can" get podded by you after paying cause "You do what ever you want" in this sandbox FFS.

Lack of respect, FPS mentality, and general "do what ever the hell I want, so long as it causes trouble to someone else" attitude is why I prefer level 4 and 11% tax to virtual coffers. Its a sandbox, your choice to play how you want and my choice of how I want to play. You want to take my reason for playing and chatting with others, sure I agree with it so long as highsec PVP is taken away from you to become 100% carebear land - No attacking, No wardecs, CONCORD on your ass and Podding you should you drop below 0 sec status while traveling .5 space in just a pod (NPC would shoot and pod you on site + loose SP regardless if your clone was updated if I had my way, but I don't work for CCP). I loose something, you loose something, no one wins.

CCP know that if they mess around with Highsec and missions there, it will cost them a lot of real cash, they're not ignorant as to the needs of a large portion of "casual" players.

One can speculate about changing Missions/payouts/drops etc, but the fact remains it all works for CCP. They're not about to kill a cash-cow.

In any case, level 4 missions are not as lucrative as they are being made out to be. There are very few where there are decent bounties and good payouts.

Older, better players may also lose sight of the fact of their superior skills at pew-pew, whereas newer players still sweat and battle to do missions.

The question regarding players who prefer solo in an MMO/Sandbox, again, we lose sight of this fact - it is a sandbox. Many people play how they can, when they can. We do not all have all the time in the world to play Eve, as much as we would like to.

It's long past time where we as players get on with the game and stop pointing fingers at Missioners for the alleged problems they cause in the markets. That is utter nonsense.

Change the Highsec Mission dynamics and you will break Eve beyond repair. CCP knows this.

Peace out.

That's why it's a terrible FPS
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well he was referring to mind set of the "PvP" players

true its not FPS in FPS you are at somewhat leveled field. In EVE you get roflstomped by someone far more experienced / SP wise / and better equipped for fight.

Altho he takes the losses to seriously

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=3680304

just something to have an good laugh, most epic fit of stabber / excuse 6 day old i was.

I am one of those casual players that will never leave highsec except on rare occasions when I'm loaded with isk and don't care if I die. I understand that I can make loads more isk in low/null but thats not going to get me out there. I like the low risk of highsec and when I have the isk and time, i'll pop out to lowsec for some dumb get rich quick hulling scam to see if I can make it past the gate camps, but only when I have the isk because at any point I enter lowsec for what ever reason, I expect to die. I would think that many others act this way. So there is the catch, I think the mission payouts are fine because if it takes me so long to make that isk, then I would never venture out to lowsec.

Although I would say that I find the missions are very boring. I'd love to pep them up a bit with a different missioning system.

Read before post. Thanks in advance.