Player Features and Ideas Discussion

SP loss is relevant because it's something you can't get back. it is time lost forever, and until you've trained that SP back, you are less effective, which alters the balance of the ship.

No. You can only by collections of skills in the form of characters on the bazaar. You can never buy SP.

I'm very reluctant to agree to any prospect of removing SP loss. As annoying as it may be, it adds an otherwise unique dynamic to them. Considering their current state, such a risk I feel is well justified. Having said that, without knowing fully what exact changes CCP intends to implement, it's tough to say if it would be either a good or bad idea later on. They would have to nerf T3's to the ground for removal of the SP loss to be any good of a change. We have seen CCP's nerf bat before; it's a big bat.

In short, as of now? No, not a good idea (in fact, a big hell no). That could change though...time will tell.

Proteus is my main ship and has been for long time. In my opinion SP loss makes it more unique ship. You know you will lose more than just your ship + mods. Makes you more aware. But that is justified by having ship that can explore, be hidden, immune to bubbles, have tank higher than battleship, firepower of pimped out battlecruiser in cruiser size hull. Plus many other advantages.

So yeah, its fine with me. BUT, soon there will be rebalance of T3 and my opinion at the moment of SP loss is based on current T3. It might change after balance and much depends how dramatic change will be. If T2's going to be better than T3 in specialized role then I am fine with that, as long as T3 can do all/most T2's roles in one single hull. Thats what T3 is about. Jack of all trades, master of none.

but they should be better than T2...because they are T3. count it with me.

1. 2. ....3.

if they didn't want them to be better they should have called them "Tech 1 ½'s" or Tech 1¾'s"

Not sure what you mean by that.

Their combat capabilities certainly aren't going to be buffed, since they're extremely strong and they hurt both battleships and HACs. Namely:

The Legion is stronger at the Zealot's role than the Zealot is.
The Tengu is stronger at the Cerberus' role than the Cerberus is.
The Loki is stronger at the Muninn's role than the Muninn is.
The Proteus is stronger at the Diemos' role than the Diemos is.

The Loki and Proteus are also better than the Huginn and Lachesis, respectively, even though the and relevant EWAR bonuses (web range and point/scram range, respectively) are halved. Why? Because the Loki and Proteus have staying power, while the recons really don't. The Huginn and Lachesis also have secondary EWAR bonuses, but in fleet doctrines these are rarely used. Because the tackling Loki and Proteus are both armor tanked, this is the primary reason that 0.0 fleet doctrines now heavily favor armor tanking.

Their boosting capabilities are getting nerfed, that much is confirmed.

You know all this. I'm putting it here for the benefit of everyone else.

Being a generalized jack of all trades, master of none isn't a buff. It doesn't make a ship good. Just look at the Gnosis. It sends the ship to the scrapheap because any other ship can do one of those things better, and so people will just mix combinations of ships that do things well. The only people who will fly T3s then are people who fly solo.

If you really ask me, I think CCP has no idea what to do about T3s, because they know that in their current capacity they're too damaging to the T1/T2 dynamic, but they also want to keep them as ships that people will actually pay money to use.

yay thread goes from change to sp loss in regards to t3's to twitter chat. next will be FACEBOOK!

The buff to med long rang range turrets and the buff to shield and armour reps coming in 1.1 will make t3 even better than now.

I must have turned my brain off or something. Completely forgot about that.

No. Players who whine about the SP loss after losing a T3 really need to htfu.

The federate issue megathron is worth 10 times that of a titan. I guess it should get the tank and firepower ten times that of a titan?

Also the new frigates from the tournament are worth at least 10 billion each, I guess they should have 500 times the firepower of a normal frigate...

Cost means nothing when it comes to balancing ships.

Incidently a legion is only twice as expensive as a zealot.