Crime & Punishment

Say for example, you wardec someone that's mining in your system; taking everything you relatively own worth in the Billions of ISK worth in POS Fuel because theres very small amounts of it, in that particular location in the region.

Ie, a single system, and the only system in the region that ice belts spawn in (even then, relatively small amounts of ice spawn every 4 hours after the previous belt has despawned)

You spend 50mill wardec'ing a single corp to scare them off from the system, to protect your assets. But that corp has brang more corps, specifically targeting that ice belt for profits. So you end up spending several hundred million ISK in wardecs.

When the wardec is active, they leave their corp, and continue mining the ice belts relentlessly. Making you completely Waste the ISK, ontop of the major profit loss from the lack of POS fuel supplies.

This. Is. Utter. BS.

The corp being wardec'd, the members within that corp, should be Kept in the corp for at least a week (50mill per week? make one week worth it.)

So the people who leave the corp and continue ice mining in that system, we at least Bump them to get them out of the ice belt, so that we can keep at least the minimum profits to keep our industrial POS's running, keeping the eve markets running.

They report us, for bumping them, under the terms of "Harassment".
Quoted from the bumping thread, "CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis."

However, even though the capsuleers haven't removed themselves from the belt, we have been Warned under the terms of harassment.

Complete. Utter. BS.

Fix this CCP. Otherwise making us pay such high amounts of ISK per wardec, without a lock mechnic, makes legit wardecs Pointless, and Broken.

Suicide Ganking should Not be the main warfare mechanic of EVE.
Nullsec is another story, nullsec sov mechanics is fine in my perspective...

TL;DR

You spend ISK wardec'ing, and the wardec'd corp disbands but keeps doing whats causing the wardec. Disallowing kills completely.

I rather wouldnt tbh.
I mean, theres a surrender option, then theres the leave option.

One of those, is a certain "I win, sucks to have your wallet" button.

It wasn't about smack-talk or anything else, it was literally about Bumping; despite the fact that the capsuleer didn't move and still reported us...

I like your new corp name.


We should ask Chribba about incentives for miners to be in player corps. After all Chribba has a corp and even his own alliance, so if anyone can explain good reasons for that it's Chribba.

The risk averse will always find ways around war decs, suicide ganking - although it shouldn't be the best solution, is still the most effective means to get the end result you want.

Highsec wardecs are broken beyond simple repair for all parties involved. Your "novel" and "innovative" idea wont change that. The defenders can evade by leaving their corp, while the attackers (frequently) enjoy the benefit of committing only some pvp alts to the conflict while their hauler, missioning, etc. alts are completely protected by anonymity. Forcing the defenders to endure the wardec while not giving them the chance to hit the attackers infrastructure (and NOT only the cheap pvp alts they can afford to lose) isn't really a fair solution either...

atm the defenders usually spend a rediculous amount of isk in hiring mercs to fight back; besides the fact that the attackers 'infrastructure' are the attackers ships themselves, the defenders have an equal chance in fighting back and winning (in terms of eve play anyways) fleet vs fleet (not accounting for numbers, skill, ship types, cost, etc)

Also, my suggestion is way better than whats happening atm; place a week lock on corporate movement when wardec'd
when it comes to intel though, the defender can still wardec the attackers 'supportive' corp, or 'infrastructure' if it were to have one.

Clearly your experience is very limited. Let me help correct that.

Anyone who thinks people in the wardec field "generally fly cheap ships" is in need of some training. I don't think I fly anything worth less than 500 million.

You appear to have some serious ISK usage problems my good sir.

Skimmed through this whole thread, and so far www.minerbumping.com is the best thing I've read so far, next to Cannibal Kane's excellent question.