Intergalactic Summit

I suppose they could. However considering that very few have done that, there are certainy many motivations as to why they wouldn't. The State being close allies with the Empire that enslaved them for centuries is probably a major factor.



You're making the Federation sound an awful lot like the Empire. If you want to get really technical I suppose you could say that a few Matari didn't chose to come to the Federation, but you cannot deny that they have chosen to stay. If they really wanted to leave and they had the means to do so, it wouldn't be too difficult.

Even still, most Matari did indeed chose to come here, on several occasions actually.



I highly doubt those millions of Matari were all adopted or evacuated to the Federation, especially to uninhabited planets to make a name for themselves nonetheless. To this day there are still many planets in the Federation that are mostly, or even entirely Minmatar.



Every nation has people living in poverty, especially in low security areas. However even with discrimination, there are far more opportunities for Matari here in the Federation than in the Republic. Hell, a Matari that was born in this country and maintained his or her citizenship could even become President one day. You can't argue that it's unlikely either, our last president was Intaki and the Unionist party is predominantly Matari.

I wouldn't say the Federation is a shining beacon of hope but I do believe the Republic is third world in comparison. Ms. Starfire herself recently wrote "We continued to live in villages and camps with no paved roads or running water..."

Am I saying the majority of the Republic is like that? No of course not. But if the lack of something so basic and trivial to a Federal Citizen as running water and paved roads, is such an issue in the Republic that it needs to be mentioned in her address then you can't possibly claim the Republic isn't a total mess.

And yes there have been recent influxes of Matari immigrants



Whether you want to admit it or not, Matari have chosen to come here over the Republic time and time again. Immigration is on a low right now but it will boom again in due time, especially if the conflict between the Republic and Empire escalates.

That article is nearly five years old. I also like the last part of it.



As the years went on, the latter seems to have been proven. The Republic is in a horrible condition comparable to when it was first getting started.

Last night when I was tired and upset I wrote a rather long and impassioned reply to Pilot Fredbug's (highly inflammatory and biased, in my opinion) statement about living conditions in the Republic. The IGS database deleted it when I went to post it, however. Luckily, Pilot Darkefyre's above reply sums things up quite succinctly.

I will add this short rejoinder; We are an advanced spacefaring civilization. We've colonized numerous solar systems spanning several regions. We've terraformed barren worlds to make them thriving habitable ecosystems. We've built mega cities in space. Our people are at the forefront of materials science, starship engineering and more. Our high tech corporations are second to none in New Eden. How are these facts compatible with Fredbug's assertions of a society bereft of the societal and technological advances of the rest of the cluster? I submit to you they are not.

Also, please remember Pilot Fredbug that Pilot Starfire's upbringing is far from a typical one. She's a member of a clan that lives a nomadic semi-aboriginal lifestyle in an isolated region of Matar. This is not how the majority of our people live. They primarily live in urban areas the same as in the Federation.

I voluntarily emigrated to the Republic from a quite comfortable lifestyle on Gallente Prime. I damned sure didn't do so to live in a mud hut in a vermin infested village lacking electricity, water, sanitation, transportation or medical services. Please stop parroting the propaganda regarding how "backwards" conditions are in my home. It's highly offensive and makes you appear to be either ignorant of the facts or, a bigot. Visit the Republic and see for yourself. I'll happily be your guide to show you marvels to rival anything in the Federation.

Are you sir making the claim that similar if not worse conditions do not exist within the Caldari state? I can site numerous reputable 3rd party sources of the crushing oppressive poverty from which your own Mr. Heth crawled out of which are rampant in most areas of the Caldari state.

Your comments seem at odds against comparative facts sir. A closed mind is a hard thing to change.

If you're talking about the unattached then possibly you're right. The downside of a culture focused on the needs of its constituents is that life is brutal and short for those who are outside that culture.

On the other hand, they're the unattached, ne? They recieve due recompense for their true value to our society.

Now, are you claiming that the average standard of living in the Republic is better than the average standard of living in the State?

So, just for the sake of clarity, what makes one a traitor in your eyes?

-Eran

5 and a half years...Interesting...That means you moved to the Republic around the time you gained capsuleer status?

I don't know your personal history or current activites but, unless you've gone out of your way to visit the vast stations and territories of the Republic , I'd imagine that means you've had a different perception of the Republic as a capsuleer than the average baseliner, and also one that is only slightly older than the CEWPA war?

I'm finding myself intrigued in your story for some reason.

-Eran

Both the CONCORD national descriptor files, and the Gal-Net Caldari demographics article, freely available on links related to this site, describe the standard of living in the State as the second highest in the cluster. Of course, that is skewed somewhat down by the fact that both incorporate the living standards of both corporate citizens, and the various outcasts of the Megas and the non-citizen planetary populations.

To quote the former article: "The State offers its citizens the best and the worst in living conditions. As long as you keep in line, do your job, uphold the laws and so forth, life can be fairly pleasant and productive. But for those who are not cut out for this strict, disciplined regime life quickly becomes intolerable."

As you might imagine, the State is not interested in the welfare of those who will not consider the welfare of the State.

Ruling party masters? The State doesn't have ruling parties, or indeed any political parties. There is no democracy in the Caldari State and that has been deemed more than suitable for over two centuries. You appear to have no actual idea how the State works, because there is no poverty among corporate citizens who contribute to the strength, power, wealth and industry of their corporations and the greater State.

Poverty exists only among those who lack the talent, drive and ambition to succeed and contribute to the greater good. The disassociated and the unemployed do live in poverty, I will not deny that, but in an environment where the strong must prevail and the weak must perish then why should the welfare of those who fail to succeed or contribute be a concern?

A dog will always deserve a dog's life.

The Republic's flaws nonwithstanding, let's not pretend like the Federation hasn't reaped the benefit of the influx of cheap labour. Federation employers have played ethnicities against each other and used that excuse to keep wages low and trade unions ineffective. The Federation's industries aren't on a humanitarian mission.