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Recently, many ethnic Minmatar have claimed that the wave of retributive violence against them throu
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Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#21 - 2013-08-12 08:05:16 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Rainus Max wrote:

The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression

Double incorrect.
First: It is the Federation, who are aggressors and attacked our home planet, twice already. We are just taking back what is rightfully ours. This is not aggression. What the Federation does - is.
Second: While the Federation had succeed for the first time, second time they did horrible job failed. The planet is still partially under our control.
But I hope it will be changed soon and the remaining federal occupants will be either booted into open space, or will sink in their own blood.
What they did good job in, is killing our citizens. And for this they will pay.

Returning to the aggression, soon you will see it. The Caldari aggression will begin, when you will see our fleets on low orbits of Gallente Prime and Villore, preparing for orbital bombardment with following launching of numerous dropships, that will cover the sun.

But even then it won't be real aggression.

It will be JUSTICE


You're so cute when you get all worked up like this.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#22 - 2013-08-12 19:35:48 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Rainus Max wrote:

The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression

Double incorrect.
First: It is the Federation, who are aggressors and attacked our home planet, twice already. We are just taking back what is rightfully ours. This is not aggression. What the Federation does - is.
Second: While the Federation had succeed for the first time, second time they did horrible job failed. The planet is still partially under our control.
But I hope it will be changed soon and the remaining federal occupants will be either booted into open space, or will sink in their own blood.
What they did good job in, is killing our citizens. And for this they will pay.

Returning to the aggression, soon you will see it. The Caldari aggression will begin, when you will see our fleets on low orbits of Gallente Prime and Villore, preparing for orbital bombardment with following launching of numerous dropships, that will cover the sun.

But even then it won't be real aggression.

It will be JUSTICE


You're so cute when you get all worked up like this.


She's always cute. That's part of what makes her genocidal mania so disturbing.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2013-08-12 21:23:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Ava Starfire wrote:
Only on the IGS can a thread about Minmatar victims of ethnic violence still be distorted into "MINMATAR ARE BAD!"


The thing is, this was all entirely predictable.

The Gallente are exactly the sort of people who when they can't take retribution against the perpetrators of a crime will instead take it against the kin of the villains.

I'm surprised that the allegedly smarter-than-the-average-Minnie leadership of the Electus Matari didn't see this coming when they took part in an illegal incursion into Federation space.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-08-12 21:25:19 UTC
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-08-12 21:29:44 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed!

Take a drink!

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#26 - 2013-08-13 02:48:45 UTC
There aren't enough livers in all the cloning facilities of New Eden for that game, Andreus.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#27 - 2013-08-13 14:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
We mourn in different ways, some more barbaric than others. Others, move on this mourning for equal rights and consideration in an oppressed society even within a would-be ally. Yet, that is our price to be, for being the scum we are.

As much as I loath the slaver, they bring valid points, that is something wrong with Matari. And it isn't helped by jollying hippies crying for recognition and equal fairness and a view that the Republic should be a peaceful nation.

Is the treatment fair? Yes. Personal white knighting views will swear differently in delusion against what the stars truly hold. We are NOT in a peaceful universe, we are not in an equal universe, the Matari way is deluded with measures that deserve the rebuke of nations, and their discrimination.

Yet I am Matari.

I condem my kind because I'm sickened to see what they have become.

There is a war going on, a war within our would-be Republic to find ourselves, a war that has lasted for hundred of years laid in the foundations of our tribes and their ways.

Every Matari who flees to the Federation expects to avoid it.
Every Matari who willingly flees to the Empire avoids it.
Every Matari who cries for a peaceful universe avoids it.

Maybe one day, they'll all wake up and realize nothing is free.

You do have to fight for it. You don't have to murder millions for it, we all already do that as capsuleers, but you will have to fight.

The day our would-be Republic stands toe-to-toe with the Empire, or with the giant of the Federation, in intimidation and able to make demands, THEN we can talk about equal rights...

Until then, if they aim to stop us, we stop running and stop them.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2013-08-15 18:41:54 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:

The day our would-be Republic stands toe-to-toe with the Empire, or with the giant of the Federation, in intimidation and able to make demands, THEN we can talk about equal rights...

Until then, if they aim to stop us, we stop running and stop them.

I don't see how the Fed plays into this. It's not like we violated a border or something silly.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#29 - 2013-08-20 15:36:06 UTC
Recent issues where Matari inside the Federation are crying out for equal rights sparked the statement.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-08-20 18:44:47 UTC
She has a point, there are a lot of Federation Matari complaining about discrimination. This is something that has to be taken seriously.

Where her line of reasoning goes off the tracks, in my opinion, is that she seems to see it as an issue for the Republic, where (presumably) you and I see it as a matter for the Federation to resolve. Her couching it in terms of conflict, and lumping it together with the issues that plague Republic-Amarr relations, are what's interesting here.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#31 - 2013-08-20 19:53:00 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
She has a point, there are a lot of Federation Matari complaining about discrimination. This is something that has to be taken seriously.

Where her line of reasoning goes off the tracks, in my opinion, is that she seems to see it as an issue for the Republic, where (presumably) you and I see it as a matter for the Federation to resolve. Her couching it in terms of conflict, and lumping it together with the issues that plague Republic-Amarr relations, are what's interesting here.

So what, she wants a fight?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#32 - 2013-08-20 20:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
Ok so, let me see if i have the rules of this game correct; if a Matari complains of being treated unfairly on the basis of ethnicity they're "playing the victim". If one dares to ask for an investigation into said claims of discrimination one gets slapped in the face with Colelie. If a Matari attempts a calm, reasoned response to most any topic on the IGS it gets met either with derision, cries of "remember Colelie!" or, victim blaming. I think I got it.

Let's save time in the future by simply labeling your Minmatar bashing responses thusly:

A. You're just playing the race/ethnicity card. Nothing to see here, move on.
B. Whatever you say is invalid because: Colelie!
C. Stupid tribals. You don't know what the hell you're talking about.
D. It's your own fault, you did this to yourselves.
E. All of the above.

Now, instead of taking the time to type out bloated, irrational replies simply type, "A", for example. Et voila! Finis!

Hope this little guide is helpful and cuts down on repetitive stress injuries from typing the same tired, crap missives again and again. Enjoy!

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2013-08-20 20:53:27 UTC
"C"
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#34 - 2013-08-21 08:19:33 UTC
F). All those feeling discriminated can just move to their precious Republic.

Oh right, starving to death due to a crippled economy isn't really a viable alternative. Hm let's see...

G). All those feeling discriminated can just move somewhere else if they're feeling uncomfortable.
A lot of organizations outside of Federation and Republic are hiring, after all.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-08-21 08:58:07 UTC
C.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#36 - 2013-08-21 17:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Anabella Rella
And now in an effort to also help those of us who need to respond to the stupid drivel that people like Kim and Caine post, a similar system:

A. Go **** yourself.
B. Don't you have (insert immoral/perverse activity) to do?
C. That response was so stupid that it lowered my IQ by 20 points simply by reading it.
D. No U!

I think I'll just go with 'A' in this case. Have a nice day!

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#37 - 2013-08-21 17:29:16 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
And now in an effort to also help those of us who need to respond to the stupid drivel that people like Kim, Strife and Caine post, a similar system:

A. Go **** yourself.
B. Don't you have (insert immoral/perverse activity) to do?
C. That response was so stupid that it lowered my IQ by 20 points simply by reading it.
D. No U!

I think I'll just go with 'A' in this case. Have a nice day!


You forgot E. All of the above.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Karmilla Strife
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-08-21 17:38:49 UTC
You're right Rella. I do have something better to do.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-08-21 17:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
How to get what you want, the Republic way!

1. Victimize yourself, doesn't matter if you are actually the victims!
2. Attack someone! It can be anyone from anywhere!
3. Make sure the attack is a miserable failure.
4. Rinse and repeat until not even Ethnic Minimatar like the Republic

Discrimination is an issue in the Federation. However, the Republic needs to realize that not everyone of Minmatar decent doesn't belong to the Republic. There may be faults with the Federation, but there is a reason why most free Minmatar have chosen to live here and not the Republic.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#40 - 2013-08-21 18:36:26 UTC
Correction: Electus Matari leadership did neither initiate nor order the attack in Colelie. Matters progressed fast and there was no time to consult the alliance council. I commanded the fleet, and my decisions were mine, not the alliance's. At the time of the events I did not hold (and currently do not hold) a leadership position in Electus Matari.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient