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Recently, many ethnic Minmatar have claimed that the wave of retributive violence against them throu

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TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#1 - 2013-08-09 12:31:31 UTC
Recently, many ethnic Minmatar have claimed that the wave of retributive violence against them throughout the Gallente Federation is a culmination of long-standing prejudice.

Federation Minmatar report describes widespread discrimination within the Federation.

Source
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination/source
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#2 - 2013-08-09 14:11:33 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Recently, many ethnic Minmatar have claimed that the wave of retributive violence against them throughout the Gallente Federation is a culmination of long-standing prejudice.

Federation Minmatar report describes widespread discrimination within the Federation.

Source
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination


The Article says:
"The Republic Tribal Council has demanded an investigation be launched into discrimination against Minmatar in the Federation."

Is this Demand to be Enforced by Dreadnoughts ?

Or is it to be enforced by Titans this time ?

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#3 - 2013-08-09 14:39:00 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
TomHorn wrote:
Recently, many ethnic Minmatar have claimed that the wave of retributive violence against them throughout the Gallente Federation is a culmination of long-standing prejudice.

Federation Minmatar report describes widespread discrimination within the Federation.

Source
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/federation-minmatar-report-widespread-discrimination


The Article says:
"The Republic Tribal Council has demanded an investigation be launched into discrimination against Minmatar in the Federation."

Is this Demand to be Enforced by Dreadnoughts ?

Or is it to be enforced by Titans this time ?


I will point out that this is a fairly serious issue, and should be treated us such. The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere. Is anything actually going to change as a result of any inquiries?

Doubtful.

Although I can't say that your comment didn't appeal to my dark sense of humour.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2013-08-09 18:32:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
This is just another case of Minmatars asking "are you picking on me because I am Matari?"

No, people are picking on you because you're workshy heathen scum.

If they didn't expect everything to be handed to them on a platter rather than working for it, then perhaps people wouldn't despise them quite so much.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-08-09 18:53:49 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.


The Matari's position and class has nothing to do with the Amarr, and everything to do with themselves.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-09 23:53:59 UTC
Oh, the Federation is displaying its real face once again.

First they attacked peoples of Caldari origin, but after they found, that they are too hard and they are breaking their teeth on our nuts, they switched to minmatars.

Lets see, how it will turn out.

And once again, I repeat, that the time, when all nations should stay united to repel the Federation, has come. We need to forget our differences and crush the Federation together, as a union of sentient humans against gallentean villainy!

They must be judged by all of us. And they must pay for their crimes against humanity.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#7 - 2013-08-10 07:16:10 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.


More like fourth-class citizens.

And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.

Hurr.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#8 - 2013-08-10 09:29:25 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.


More like fourth-class citizens.

And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.

Hurr.


Not in the Kingdom, we aren't. Back to your kennel, Blooder.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-08-10 09:36:27 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.


More like fourth-class citizens.

And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.

Hurr.


Not in the Kingdom, we aren't. Back to your kennel, Blooder.


Since the Kingdom has never been ruled by someone from the Khanid bloodline, it could be argued that you are indeed second class citizens.

Not that I would make such an argument of course.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-08-10 10:01:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Oh, the Federation is displaying its real face once again.

First they attacked peoples of Caldari origin, but after they found, that they are too hard and they are breaking their teeth on our nuts, they switched to minmatars.

Lets see, how it will turn out.

And once again, I repeat, that the time, when all nations should stay united to repel the Federation, has come. We need to forget our differences and crush the Federation together, as a union of sentient humans against gallentean villainy!

They must be judged by all of us. And they must pay for their crimes against humanity.


The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression and lets not forget the fact that the Caldari have never been guilt free in the history of our two nations, destroying the dome on an underwater city for example.

I suspect there are problems on both sides, the Federation does have a bad taste in its mouth from the recent actions of the Republic so a general dislike of Minmatar is expected (I'm not condoning it) and I find it suspicious that this only pops up after all the recent trouble. I also have to ask if Minmatar have a chip on their shoulder because of their enslavement, just because your people have been through a terrible ordeal does not mean that everyone else in the galaxy should bow to your every whim.

The Republic should also keep its nose out of Federation business, they really do seem to be going out of their way to annoy the Federation's general population. Perhaps the Federation should be demanding that migrants in the Republic should be getting representation on the Tribal Council?
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#11 - 2013-08-10 10:11:53 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
The Empire's real legacy on the Matari people has been to leave them in the position of being second-class citizens just about everywhere.


More like fourth-class citizens.

And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.

Hurr.


Not in the Kingdom, we aren't. Back to your kennel, Blooder.


Since the Kingdom has never been ruled by someone from the Khanid bloodline, it could be argued that you are indeed second class citizens.

Not that I would make such an argument of course.


True. I for one consider him honorary Khanid, though.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#12 - 2013-08-11 14:39:27 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Back to your kennel, Blooder.


You know what they say. Takes one to know one. Khanid.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#13 - 2013-08-11 15:04:10 UTC
Only on the IGS can a thread about Minmatar victims of ethnic violence still be distorted into "MINMATAR ARE BAD!"

Intergalactic "Summit", my ass. Intergalactic sounding board and bandwagon.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-08-11 16:15:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
The Minmatar seem so well-suited to playing the victims it can be difficult to discern at times when they are and when they aren't.

Especially when the typical responses to criticism as regards the Minmatar people is the logical fallacy along the lines of:

"You disagree with the opinions or actions of the Minmatar or Republic? Obviously you are an agent of the Amarrian oppressors and a supporter of slavery!"

I don't see it so much as a "bandwagon" as much as the Matari themselves being apparently incapable of debate outside of moral outrage and allegations that any and all opponents are, "Slavers".

Honestly what's next? A Matari anywhere in the cluster cannot face arrest or due process under the laws of the nation they find themselves in because they're always the victim in life and require special dispensation unless that arrest constitute slavery?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#15 - 2013-08-11 17:02:36 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
The Minmatar seem so well-suited to playing the victims it can be difficult to discern at times when they are and when they aren't.

Especially when the typical responses to criticism as regards the Minmatar people is the logical fallacy along the lines of:

"You disagree with the opinions or actions of the Minmatar or Republic? Obviously you are an agent of the Amarrian oppressors and a supporter of slavery!"

I don't see it so much as a "bandwagon" as much as the Matari themselves being apparently incapable of debate outside of moral outrage and allegations that any and all opponents are, "Slavers".

Honestly what's next? A Matari anywhere in the cluster cannot face arrest or due process under the laws of the nation they find themselves in because they're always the victim in life and require special dispensation unless that arrest constitute slavery?


Good Lord, the oppression in this post!

Won't someone think of the poor Minmatar children, labouring uphill both ways under the weight of their chains, forever enslaved by this crushing condescension ?

Question

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#16 - 2013-08-11 23:04:10 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
And you can blame the Gallente and Jovians for interrupting things, why, without their meddling, the Minmatar might have indeed become second-class citizens, just like say, Khanid are.


My thesis, exactly. Down with Jovian Meddling and That Sort of Thing. Are they all dead, yet?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#17 - 2013-08-12 00:17:45 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Only on the IGS can a thread about Minmatar victims of ethnic violence still be distorted into "MINMATAR ARE BAD!"

Intergalactic "Summit", my ass. Intergalactic sounding board and bandwagon.


Funny, I thought the bandwagon on here the last few years was "**** the Federation".

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-08-12 00:55:21 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Funny, I thought the bandwagon on here the last few years was "**** the Federation".

People got bored of that when they finally realised the Federation isn't going to disappear anytime soon, and, in fact, pissing it off might not be such a good idea.

Well, all except one person, anyway.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2013-08-12 02:10:04 UTC
In recent weeks it has dawned upon me that sarcasm is the destructor of communication.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-12 07:59:06 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:

The Federation has done a pretty good job against defending itself against Caldari aggression

Double incorrect.
First: It is the Federation, who are aggressors and attacked our home planet, twice already. We are just taking back what is rightfully ours. This is not aggression. What the Federation does - is.
Second: While the Federation had succeed for the first time, second time they did horrible job failed. The planet is still partially under our control.
But I hope it will be changed soon and the remaining federal occupants will be either booted into open space, or will sink in their own blood.
What they did good job in, is killing our citizens. And for this they will pay.

Returning to the aggression, soon you will see it. The Caldari aggression will begin, when you will see our fleets on low orbits of Gallente Prime and Villore, preparing for orbital bombardment with following launching of numerous dropships, that will cover the sun.

But even then it won't be real aggression.

It will be JUSTICE

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

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