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Masked Frog
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2013-08-12 16:39:40 UTC
People need to realize that even if there was Shill Accounts bidding it in no way would effect the amount you win/lose.
If you buy 4 of 8 tickets you still have the same odds of winning if 4 of the other bids are fake or real players.
The only thing it would effect is not paying out as much for BLINK.

It isn't an auction its a lottery. Remember that and just have fun playing. There are plenty of ways to play to minimize your loses. You can also play in ways to almost certainly destroy your ability to come out even.

I believe i am actually ahead some,takes time and willpower to not just blow all your money.
Inignort Err
SchmeckTel Group
#102 - 2013-08-12 19:59:46 UTC
Cipio Alduin wrote:

Below are the top 5 players who i recorded in the 5-10 billion ISK mark, some times within 2-3 hours or other times over 2-3 days. Now, we all know that making this amount of ISK in EvE without buying a metric ton of PLEXES.

Now, here is your list.

Bloodraven22 <-- Deposited 21 billion ISK on capital ships in less than 2 hours, winning 98% of the lotteries
R0ot <-- Deposited over 6 billion in 1 hour, bidding on everything he could and winning 90% of the lotteries
ejen8208 <-- Deposited 3 billion 20 minutes on capital ships and only lost 4 of the lotteries
Lord Peanut <-- Suspect with the amount of ISK being put in
Armarria <-- Same as above



Dingus, or whosit, from this 'lottery' that posted earlier, tore OP apart; but I missed the reaction to this section of the OP. I'll read the report.

Much has been made of casinos and lotteries. As a former *wink* card counter I appreciate one thing and one thing only in casinos (well two if you count the free booze). Rate of ruin. You will go down unless you get up and leave while you are ahead and/or setup a stop-loss to leave when you are behind.

I did chuckle at Dingus referring to RNG's and random.org. LOL dude -- I'll take your word random Internet gaming billionaire and I'll play your game as soon as I get my money back from FullTilt.


"You always said the cards would never do you wrong;
The trick you said was never play the game too long."
Bob Seger
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#103 - 2013-09-17 20:04:29 UTC
Bear

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-09-17 20:24:03 UTC
All I know is that I put 1 billion in, got 3 billion out and left it at that. Some people go back for more winnings....well you in trouble :P

I also profited from Erotica's double game. It's all a game of chance and that's what makes it fun! The best scams have winners and losers. Be the winner!

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.
Notthespai
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-09-18 01:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Notthespai
Masked Frog wrote:
People need to realize that even if there was Shill Accounts bidding it in no way would effect the amount you win/lose.
If you buy 4 of 8 tickets you still have the same odds of winning if 4 of the other bids are fake or real players.
The only thing it would effect is not paying out as much for BLINK.



I look at these shill accounts like games played with loaded dice.

Its all programed weight now if you give these shill accounts a higher weight than everyone else playing you only have a 1/12 chance of winning while the shill gets a 4/12 get it. You never see whats going on behind the scenes neither has any employee nor associate beside SOMER(no source)..
Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
#106 - 2013-09-18 01:32:24 UTC
The OP's alt pulled a no-content necro, and you tards keep sperging into it.

We're all sick of hearing tinfoil about blink. Just don't play it if you don't want to. There is no one left in eve that hasn't heard your bitching at this point.
Phoenix Einherjar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2013-09-18 02:21:04 UTC
Sar'ran Zorn wrote:
The OP's alt pulled a no-content necro, and you tards keep sperging into it.

We're all sick of hearing tinfoil about blink. Just don't play it if you don't want to. There is no one left in eve that hasn't heard your bitching at this point.


I saw this got necro'd and got my hopes up and popcorn ready thinking OP was posting his report as promised... Aawwww.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#108 - 2013-09-19 12:55:14 UTC
Andrev Nox wrote:
*EPIC DAMAGE CONTROL*
No need to defend it dude. We all know it's a scam, and still people play it. You can say "oh think of how much work it would be to run shill accounts". Almost none. You write the system that runs the lotteries, so adding the ability for someone to be prioritised would be a minimal change.

As for the whole "why would we scam?" question, easy. RMT. If you buy a whole bunch of plex with raw profit and start dishing it out you're going to throw up red flags. A LOT of red flags. If however "random" people are winning a whole bunch of isk or items, then trading those about to other people (perhaps "accidently" falling for a "sell a plex for 500k" scam) the noone is the wiser. It's not the first time lotteries have been rigged to launder money.

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The Bounty Collector
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-09-19 15:59:45 UTC

It is 100% confirmed and known that Somer Blink is a complete scam. They have shill accounts and ban anyone that speaks up on the scam. Ironically just like the previous poster they make a big fuss on zero tolerance for RMT when in fact their entire operation is a giant RMT scam.

Evealopalous is the same deal just much easier to spot and run by a less inteligent scammer.

Keep your isk if you do not want to support scammers and RMT.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#110 - 2013-09-20 13:00:02 UTC
Yup yup, down with RMT!

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Literally Space Moses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#111 - 2013-09-20 13:12:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Literally Space Moses
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yup yup, down with RMT!


A CFC member saying down with RMT is kinda funny, given their huge botting/RMT ring.

#T2013
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#112 - 2013-09-20 22:45:44 UTC
Literally Space Moses wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yup yup, down with RMT!


A CFC member saying down with RMT is kinda funny, given their huge botting/RMT ring.
The huge unproven allegations of an RMT botting ring by people butthurt at being blobbed by the CFC.
Besides, anything I say is from me, personally, not a representation of the CFC, and I am against RMT. I just don't believe you can say anything with conviction if you hide behind alts like most of the forum. If I saw any evidence of RMT or botting within my own alliance, I'd be against that and report it too.

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Sar'ran Zorn
St. Albans' Refuge
#113 - 2013-09-21 01:01:59 UTC
The Bounty Collector wrote:

It is 100% confirmed and known that Somer Blink is a complete scam.


(citation needed)

Lucas Kell wrote:
unproven allegations of an RMT botting ring by people butthurt.


This post in this thread proves C&P have no idea how hilariously oblivious their tinfoil is.
virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2013-09-21 13:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: virm pasuul
Given the legit viable nature of the business model - sum of tickets cost more than value of the prize, difference goes to blink. And the volume of business that blink does it strikes me as logical that they should not cheat/shill win.

Probably blink's biggest asset they own is not their huge cash pile but the player trust they have earned over time in a very low trust environment ( Eve ). If someone could conclusively with evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt prove a single blink lottery had been fixed their business would collapse overnight. Without the trust their business model has no more value than Jita scam spam.

As an example of this value - try setting up a competitor to blink, see how easy it is to get players to trust your lottery site. A few have tried, none have even come close to blink and some have been found proof positive to be scams.

I believe it is logically in Blink's best interest that they don't endanger that trust. If it is ever lost it could never be rebuilt, there would always be some doubt. Logically they are much better off taking their skim off the top which they do in a very open and transparent way and actively working to protect and ensure that trust is not endangered.

Logically it makes the most sense for Blink not to cheat.
This does not constitute proof they are not cheating.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#115 - 2013-09-22 12:08:51 UTC
virm pasuul wrote:
Given the legit viable nature of the business model - sum of tickets cost more than value of the prize, difference goes to blink. And the volume of business that blink does it strikes me as logical that they should not cheat/shill win.
Why?
I reckon RMT is a powerful motivator when you are in control of trillions of isk.

virm pasuul wrote:
Probably blink's biggest asset they own is not their huge cash pile but the player trust they have earned over time in a very low trust environment ( Eve ). If someone could conclusively with evidence beyond any shadow of a doubt prove a single blink lottery had been fixed their business would collapse overnight. Without the trust their business model has no more value than Jita scam spam.
There's no way for shill accounts to get caught with proof. At most there's threads like this which get written off as luck for random players.

virm pasuul wrote:
As an example of this value - try setting up a competitor to blink, see how easy it is to get players to trust your lottery site. A few have tried, none have even come close to blink and some have been found proof positive to be scams.
There's already a few other lottery and gambling sites. BLINK is just one of the biggest. That fact means nothing however, since there's no way to prove anything without having access to the internals of their system,

virm pasuul wrote:
I believe it is logically in Blink's best interest that they don't endanger that trust. If it is ever lost it could never be rebuilt, there would always be some doubt. Logically they are much better off taking their skim off the top which they do in a very open and transparent way and actively working to protect and ensure that trust is not endangered.

Logically it makes the most sense for Blink not to cheat.
This does not constitute proof they are not cheating.
Again though, since there's no way to prove it, they can safely cheat the system all they want. As the control of the ISK goes out of EVE, completely into their system, then gets redistributed by them, they can do whatever they want with it.

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Lightbringer
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2013-09-23 10:31:46 UTC
I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar.



around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#117 - 2013-09-23 10:40:03 UTC
Lightbringer wrote:
I did my first 50mil as a test on an orca, i won, i converted it into blink Credit, won a revelation, took the ISK put 600mil back in, win a Revelation, took the isk, 600mil back in Won a Naglfar.

around 7 Billion Isk ontop of my original 50million ISK, damn i feel scammed.
Well they wouldn't get very far without legitimate winners. Nobody is saying they don't pay out to the actual players, but that doesn't stop them siphoning ISK for RMT. Trillions of isk goes through them, it's easy enough for them to pay out to legitimate players to keep their reputation without damaging their business.

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Alexi Steele
St. Albans' Refuge
#118 - 2013-09-23 10:50:07 UTC
Protip, captain butthurt - anytime anyone ever sees a CFC member try to cry foul about RMT, we laugh.

We laugh and laugh and laugh.

At you.

Because you RMT.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#119 - 2013-09-23 14:20:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Alexi Steele wrote:
Protip, captain butthurt - anytime anyone ever sees a CFC member try to cry foul about RMT, we laugh.

We laugh and laugh and laugh.

At you.

Because you RMT.
So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence by a bunch of butthurt people about and alliance, the you use that to discriminate against all members of that alliance and all associated alliances.

Oh no random guy (a random guy hiding behind an alt at that)! please don't laugh at me! It will make me has a sad!

lol.

Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering.

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virm pasuul
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2013-09-23 15:24:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
So you take an accusation with utterly no evidence...
Still though, BLINK = RMT ISK laundering.


You don't have a problem with hypocracy do you?