Wormholes

Shoo.

No other ships are viable because of the requirement for high tank high DPS and low mass.
BSs have too high a mass, CSs have too high a mass, and HACs suck for WH PvP.

Live in WHs then you can comment :P

First off, comparing Lowsec to Wormhole? That's like comparing EVE to WOW. There's a number of differences differences (Cynos, gates, no mass limits).

T3s are popular in WH space because

A) Mass, anything much large than a T3 in terms of mass is immediately kicked in the nuts by WH mass limits. Nobody wants to fly a BS fleet because it would limit the number of pilots far more than a T3 fleet, and it would increase the risk of getting trapped in a WH you might not want to be in.

B) Range. Since aggression doesn't prevent players from jumping through a WH, using a sniper doctrine doesn't work. If you're sitting out at 80km and a hostile T3 fleet jumps into you, they can just jump back, and you can't follow them because you'll be on top of a brawler fit in sniper ships. This limits sniper doctrines to jobs like system defense, since they will DIAF if they are caught on a wormhole.



Basically other options are available, but they aren't as forgiving as T3 doctrines are.

I’m mostly happy with the actual mechanics of wormhole space but i wish that CCP would add new things to wormholes.

There has been a lot of talk recently about the lack of conflict drivers in high class wormholes and I agree. See this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=255484

My favorite ideas are:
• The addition of 2 statics in SOME C4 – C6 wormholes
• A new POCO-like structure that encourage people to defend
• A Class 7 wormhole that has no moons but contains capital sleepers and other unknown riches.
• Roaming sleepers
• The addition of swap clones in the rorqual so people don’t have to use their armour clone when they fancy going on a shield roam in null

A revamped POS system could freshen things up but i’m not holding my breath... Ultimately, the problem with wormholes is that there are too many WH systems and too few people living in WH space.

I'll put down some specifics (issues I've run into) while being in wormhole space.

I recently closed my buyout program I had (cute little system), for several reasons, but the main three were:

1) Ore I purchased I could not get a viable value for, as I could not reprocess it in wormhole space without losing 25%
2) I could not set a secure dropoff location in my pos without ruining security protocols within the pos.
3) Hauling out of the buyout (will somewhat be corrected in odyssey 1.1)

We all know the issues with #1, but I'll delve into #2 a bit more. We upped our security standards in locking down our pos's and removing whats known as a "community pos", a pos open to the corporation to do.. basically whatever they want. We based our buyout on dumping materials into one of the open hangers. With the shift in security and shutting down of the community pos, I could not continue in the way I wanted because I did not want to open up my pos to the corp (security issue with the people who have shared tab access), I could not assign a array/hanger as a dump without upping roles on the people in my pos, and I could not stop people from "doing what I call, dropping enormous container crap" in my tower, leaving me the only way to clean those cans up by using a freighter "which I don't keep in a wormhole").

Essentially this comes down to roles. These are not big things, but minor headaches which bug higher ups (that and it takes allot of time....

A fix? in the POS management screen, there are 4 roles you can assign a pos module, Alliance, Corporation, Config Starbase, Config Fuel. I would love 2 extra configurations to go in there, Members A, Members B.

I'd love to set a POS module (cha/sma) to Members A, assign the pos modules to them, then assign a role to them without having to give out config fuel (own little issues with that). It would allow us to add more people to a POS, separate them out through use of Members A and B, and not have to worry about giving out Config Fuel or Starbase, or just blanket corporation. I would be able to set a hanger to Fuel, use it as a central dump, and be ok with a buyout. Its a minor issue, not really needing the attention, but I thought I would bring it up.

Other items of concern.... The Corporate Hanger Array is slightly antequated. Basically it is not worth the powergrid for its space. Most if not all wormhole corporations use X-large assembly arrays as ship storage, equipment storage, etc. I would consider chopping the powergrid of the Corporate Hanger Array by half (down to 50,000 to match up with the component assembly array which people tend to use for storage), and make it somewhat more attractive than the x-large assembly arrays (I would increase it to 2 million m3 ontop of that. 1.4 is a very odd number).

Then there comes the issue of the pos themselves. We all keep lists of who goes into whose pos, who got passwords, etc etc. There has to be a way to make access simpler. Drag and drop corp names into the pos itself, or being able to assign an actual character physically to the hanger array names themselves (we have a, b, c etc), instead for a certain cha, would read "character 1's name, character 2's name, etc). I'd like to give actual ownership of a tab in a cha or xlarge to a person, in the pos itself. Instead of going out of game to some spreadsheet I have, I can be in game and get the info I need from the pos itself. Maybe give a person a tab, then have the person set a password to that tab, so they can decide who has access. These are both security complaints and general maintenance of who comes in and out.

Like I said above, I recently tore down a pos, which sucked not because of the amount of m3 that was in it, but because trying to scoop all the gun modules was terrible. Now I know you want people outside the shield to scoop modules, I'm fine with that, but could you enable and use a highslot tractor beam to target and tractor the offlined unanchored modules to you instead of having us slowboat to each one (ever see a thanatos get tractorbeamed, should be ok'd)

Then there is the issues with the personal ship maintenance arrays. I've been doing this for a while (I think most do). I fly to my pos, go to the public sma, drop my ship off (now in pod), fly to the x-large, target my ship (lets say proteus), board it straight from the array, open up the public sma, drag my docked ship into my tab at the x-large. That is my security protocol (as the tab in the x-large is mine). We need the sma to refit ships, but why not, as a extremely cheap, and almost 3 second fix to the personal sma, allow us to store our ships in the x-large directly from space, instead of having to do this 1.2.3 merry go round we already do.


Oddly enough I would like to know who comes into my pos every so often. Just as we have passwords to a pos, we should have some sort of tracking method of who enters a pos (Similar to how modern keycard systems works). Keycards indicate the following. Name of the person, id of the card, date the card was used. Now the only things I really want to know is the character name of who came into the pos, and the time they came in. Dumping it directly into the pos itself probably isn't viable, but you could retrofit that old scanning array you made defunct as a poor mans checkpoint. Let it log who enters and leaves a pos, keep the log for a month and wipe itself out (overwrite its info).

Pos modules themselves are quite annoying to haul, requiring a station to build and assemble (its the same issue of requiring a station to assemble a t3, but t3's can only be built at POS's). Permit POS's to build POS modules. The tower themselves, ok probably not, but everything else should be fine.


I put up a Caldari Tower, anchored a ton of mods, etc, but now I would like to upgrade it, to do so, I have to tear down the mods, scoop everything, and shutdown the tower.

on the caldari tower thing. To upgrade a tower, you have to scoop everything offline, unanchor, then turn the tower off, scoop it, anchor the new tower, online it, then dump everything back.

If were going to spend the 2+ bil for a faction tower, give us an ability to upgrade it while the tower is online. Currently it takes a day to build a faction tower. So instead of having us unanchor/log everything, make it a 2 day in pos build.

You load the items needed to build it into the tower, click "Upgrade", the tower locks all modules that require cpu up for 2 days (its like a elongated reinforce mode, and yes the tower can be attacked) . The startup to upgrade mode is 12 hours itself (prevents people from using this as a optional extra stront timer). Tower's more vulnerable while going into this upgrade phase, which makes it your job to protect it. And the shield stays up.

Honestly this probably should have been the way the faction towers should have been built.

This can also be done for tower swapping, a 12 hour startup with a 2 day swap phase. Once swapped, the tower that was formerly there is destroyed (no scoopage, basically you pay for it). It would take that long just to transfer all functionality of the old tower over to the new. I would put in the additional change of offlining everything (as the tower swap would change both cpu and powergrid requirements).

Tower swaps would be.. well extremely dangerous to do, but would make for a better experience when wanting to perform such upgrades to a pos.

NOTE: We should not be able to upgrade/downgrade tower sizes. The shield radius/pos module distance and equipment in pos would cause too many conflicts. Same pos size swap only.

to sum this up,

1) would like a method of upgrading a tower to one of the fancier faction towers while its in space without having to tear it down.

2) would like a method of swapping a tower to another factions tower inspace, without having to tear everything down.

both of these applies to more than just wormhole space, but it is a much bigger headache for us as we generally don't have easy access to freighters.

You know when you mentioned scanning down the chain. I had another idea. Not sure what other would think.

Cut wormhole life time in half. so 24 hour holes are 12 hour. 16 hour holes are 8 hour. One of the things that is a common post here is More connections, more statics. This usually comes about because when your roaming other systems and scanning down the chain so to speak, your not bringing along ships to close with. So while yes this would increase having to scan the chain down. It would lead more broken chains and new wormholes open up and more exploring. Many times on a saturday I scan down a chain in the morning. Go out and enjoy a Saturday and come home and well, your left with the same chain unless you go back and roll your own hole. Also a hole gets opened, you may come along 12 hours after the people have signed off. No Pew Pew. Where if you find a K162 you know the activity has been more recent.

Just a thought. I had not seen this one mentioned, I can't thnk of a lot of negatives to this other than people scanning chains from a C6 to high sec or something like that or a C4 > C5 > C4 > C2 logistics chain has either a short time or they have to find a new chain. So your really only messing with Logistics. However you get more connections out there.

The is hardly anything "wrong" with wormhole space. The problem is the lack of iteration and expansion on CCPs part.

Roaming sleepers is one thing that could make WHs feel more alive and at the same time, lead to more pvp opportunities.

This is an idea I've had before, and I think that it would be a good way to add new content.

The sleepers are waking, their drones aren't capable of holding off the Capsuleer invaders, now the sleepers themselves are coming to deal with it.

New sites, new NPCs, *maybe* new systems where the sleepers have been "asleep" all this time.



Also, some mechanic that removes/allows players to unanchor enemy offlined towers would be nice. One of the things that reduces the atmosphere of the unknown in WH space is that there are offlined towers in literally every system. I jump into our static, even if nobody lives there, I find offlined towers on D-Scan. It makes WHs seem less like a frontier and more like Mount Everest, a frontier yes, but covered in the trash from people who have been there before.

Chitsa, Chitsa, Chitsa.... most people won't be allowed to propose changes then. It is amazing the things which get proposed with absolutely no idea how it will fubar other things. That's the biggest reason I believe in "leave it the f*ck alone" theory.

Yes the T3 meta gets old but bold for emphasis.