Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'd say we would have an issue if Apoc had damage bonus.

Btw, you can still get that huge falloff in your Mach. You just have to use active modules (scripted TC).

Yeah with a weak armor tank sure, which would have less th an half of a pulsepoc dps at over 50km


....note you had to use a mach for comparison, its the only ship aside form Tornado with a large projectile falloff bonus, I was using a plain vanilla Apoc.

...only an 800mil hull price different.

Previously, even CCP Rise said that the 10% bonus needed to be at 10% to make the dominix better than the other drone boats. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=223610



CCP Rise also said that other drone boats should not have the 10% bonus to optimal and tracking so that they would not duplicate the role of the dominix. Can't remember where he said that, but the idea was that the domi should stand out from the other drone boats on optimal and tracking bonuses. If the domi goes down to 7.5% then it has nothing special over the Ishtar, for one. Personally, I think that the 10% optimal and tracking should go to the Ishtar and Gila too.

because the rampant domi slowcat sentry fleets clearly aren't a problem right now

This is rather like saying a hurricane is better than a harpy because it can technically fit 3 heavy assault launchers.

Complete and utterly ridiculous argument, since missiles are not its primary weapon platform


Dominix should have a larger drone damage bonus, or 2-3 more drones, or something that allows it to do more damage from its primary weapon platform compared to smaller ships. And less turrets! The current domi is split like the old Naglfar, if you will, and we all know that's not the best way to go.

Just put 3 imperial navy in there. 50-60m each, not much at all (unless you are poor I guess). 994 dmg. Add in the basic implants and your over 1k without OH.

150m! Too expensive I guess you are going to say. Well If a drone user wants sentries that arent going to pop as soon as they are shot at he needs to go faction, and they are 10+m a peice. And they'll still get farked from arty, missiles, stealth bombers and smartbombs.


How many times do I need to type scriptable tracking mods before you notice that? At the distances where something can outtraverse pulses you can use shorter range ammo and script for tracking. Can I do that with gardes? (No, just incase you didnt know.) Can I even move (slowly) away from the thing that is closing with me, or move in such a way as to lower my traversal (I have seen conflicting reports as to the efficacy of this, but I try it anyway). I can with turrets, not with sentries.

You keep going on about how ultra terrible the tracking is on pulses when thier tracking is only 0.002rad/s worse than a garde. I find this amusing.






That can be done to the same, or greater effect with many ships. Note the whole pulsepoc thing thats been going on in this thread and others like it.

The problem here isnt the sentries, it is the Assignment of drones. Reducing the range of the drones wont do **** to deal with that problem.



Because it wouldnt do more damage than other battleships. The domi is a damage bonused BS. Drones are its primary weapon (according to the odyssey publications). How much base damage does it do with its primary weapons?

475 dps (or 450 since the domi is obviously a sentry boat)

How much base damage do other damage bonused BS do with THIER primary weapons? 620 Abaddon, 876 Raven, 707 Mega, 556 Tempest. Those are all BEFORE OH, can I OH my drones? No. Can I fit dirt cheap faction damage mods to my droneboat? No.

I can fit my highs with guns to up my damage, the others can use drones to up thiers and they all get close or exceed the domi ('cept the tempest).

Except I cant load myself out with a full rack of guns if I plan on using sentries because of the 60km DCR.

Pankora's idea is reasonable, reduce the turrets and bring the drones to have similar damage levels to the other ships. After all this is all about "bringing the weapons systems in line" is it not? We are already ignoring the massive difference between drones and guns, so lets carry on doing just that. Drones are far more versatile, which makes up for the inferior damage, but this whole thing is about bringing **** into line, is it not?

What, a couple of hours worth of ratting or scanning is an unreasonable level of loss to you? Whatever then, lets go with HS IIs then, that 940 dps is worlds apart from 994, I totally agree.

Completely different levels, I take back all of my previous comments.

Though that being said, you say paying near hull for 3 mods is apparently unfeasable, yet drone users have to choose drones that will get 1-2 shotted, or pay near hull cost for drones that will get 3-5 shot (and do less damage).

And that is apparently Ok?

NOOOOOEES!!!!!!


I feel strange about this thread - I think Rise is wrong because of the sheer limitations of sentry drones... but at the same time the nerf is so minor it's hard to argue with much energy. And the armor rep bonus will help the Domi too. Hard to get *too* excited. Well for me at least, I see others have trained that skill far more than I

I do not see how CCP Rise can call this change "small"

A change from 10% to 7.50% is a 25% decrease. It seems like quarter chop off...

How about making a 'small' change to the monthly subscription fees (joke!)

For those who have specialized in drone skills as primary weapon of choice like me, this seems like terrifying news.

Although many pilots may have expressed their support for the idea, I would be inclined as CCP decision makers to take in consideration those comments which come from those who use drones as primary choice of weapons.

I suggest other race's boats are given a boost if need be in stead of debilitating the Gallente drone boat.

I would hate to wake up to see all months of training for drones skills have gone to waste.

Thank you

Fly foolish...

It's not a 25% decrease to DPS, though (the actual change is probably less than half that, which one can offset with implants, rigs, modules). Blame the tournament.