Wormholes

Actually were supposed to be talking about a change to the wormhole effects. A drastic change to black hole systems such as the removal of moons or the addition of one or more static connections would fall outside the purview of the original topic.





Blackholes, even lower end wormholes, are abandoned. People -do- fight for desirable wormholes, but nobody fights for undesirable wormholes. Any beneficial change to wormholes will inevitably result in more content for all of us.



All the wormhole effects are open to some level of abuse, I believe that is kind of the point. Wormhole effects are there to promote lateral thinking, they are there to give a unique home field advantage. In the case of a polar opposite cataclysmic variable this would relatively balanced. Yes, you could possibly run an epic perma tank, but you would also leave yourself wide open to capacitor warfare. Guess what Sleepers specialise in...

Guess what ASB's specialise in: total immunity to capacitor warfare. I accept your point, but we are talking about taking a Maelstrom from a 1200 DPS tank to a 2400 DPS tank in a C6. Without really going overboard on the pimp.

This would be quite similar for every other possible thing, ever. Instead of Guardians RRing you, they'd turn back into pre-Retribution Augorors; energy creation engines feeding capacitor into beastly local tanks. Guardians would become the anti cap warfare to fight the cap warfare.

You can also fit geno's or capacitor implants and/or a cap booster, if the sleeper neuting is a problem.



This is not true. I am sure CCP knows the truth of this (or someone can search out the black holes and do stats on which have been ratted consistently in the last month) but most black holes I encounter are inhabited in C1 to C4. C5's, it's 50/50. haven't visited one of the C6 black holes in over a year, so cannot say.

That they aren't being fought over doesn't mean no one is living in them.

Like I said to Windstalker, people need to adapt. it is possible and indeed beneficial to adapt to Black Hole life up to C4's; if someone like Windstalker comes for a visit and tried their 13km/s Dramiel on for fun you deal with them easily enough with a Maulus or two.

In C5's the drawbacks are so extreme that even the resident will find life ridiculous. Its not actually worth mutating your fit enough to gain an edge because it just ends up as munted as a normal fit which struggles with the targeting range.


Like I said I lived in a C4 black hole for 18 months. This is more than any of the rest of you have admitted to. its not easy, it takes some adjustment, but you can do it.



As for Windstalker....dude, you really have no idea about either black hole effects, or C5/C6 escalation. A dread, as mentioned by the other guy, will take a lot of DPS. But already they tank 4K DPS quite well. Since you'd be, well, you to drop a dread in C1-C4, we are talking traditionally about either an 85% boost to tank (C50 or 100% boost to local tank. So you'd be pulling 8K DPS tanks without sweating.

If this cannot be sustained permanently, you'd geno and implant up, toss a T2 CCC or a Charge Economiser rig on, and be able to run your 8K DPS tank for the few minutes necessary to tank while you spank the escalation over.

Not a problem for a Dread. For a triage carrier, your boost to local rep amount would assist you to tank plenty fine while you RR. Even a half-strength triage Archon will RR 1000 raw hitpoints a second.

in all honesty, you need to stop speaking from a position of ignorance either on wormholes in general, and with black holes in particular.

You know what, i agree with you. There is nothing wrong with having a system that some people find "less desirable".

Someone will use blackhole systems when we have enough people in W-space.

I got it! Each wormhole in the game should have the chance to spawn its own J### sleeper. This special sleeper drops some sort of item (a gun, a tanky thing, something) but the item is unique to your wh! Perhaps you get parts that need to be combined with some salvaged components also unique to your wh or maybe a small group of whs, giving you the module. In any case, that defiantly makes you want to hold a specific whs and gives you more of a sense of ownership for that hole.

Time dilation if its possible, would be amazing. How much, who knows \o/

If not then how about you flip some of the effects.

Faster Missile Velocity
Slower Ship Velocity
Reduced Drone control Range
Decreased Inertia
Reduced Lock Range
Increased Falloff

So:
Missiles fly farther
Your ship moves slower
You have reduced drone control range
Your ship has less agility
You can't target as far
But you have increased falloff

Another Idea, make it the opposite of a magnetar:

Decreased Damage
Increased Tracking
Reduced ship speed
Increased Falloff
Reduced lock range
reduced drone control range

I was actually thinking of an Vigilant/Rapier or Loki setup a friend showed me that was pretty ridiculous. You're definitely right that T3s would be easier to keep alive.

On the subject of Sieged dreads and carriers, wouldn't a local rep bonus affecting them make dread-blap PvP all the more ridiculous since the dreads would be harder to deal with for a sub-cap only fleet?

you don't really know what tidi is do you?

It was already said earlier that any changes would have to be relatively simple to implement, I don't think this qualifies >.>

I have no idea why you would use a Vigi in sites to be honest. The web range is so terrible as too make it useless unless you are ABing around. Which I guess you can do, but seems like way more work than it is worth. Especially considering how much tank you lose compared too a Loki.

Rapier would work, but you would really need Recon V too make it worth it, and unless you are in a Pulsar, the tank is gonna be scary minimal.

And yah, any kind of local rep bonus that effects capital reps would make dreads even harder too kill. Which is probably not a good thing.

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