Wormholes

cba to read all 11 pages. But since I have an alt living in a c2 w/ static hisec and c4, I would like to throw my opinion in here. Literally every black hole wh that I have seen is completely uninhabited regardless of class. This doesn't mean they are all uninhabited. But clearly they need attention. I'm glad to see some thought being put into the situation.

Our static C4 with Black Hole effect 2 days ago has 3 dozen cosmic signatures, 4 dozen combat sites, and about 15 mining sites. There was not a single POS or other anchorable structure in system, and nothing showing on wormnav for activity over the last week.

A speed buff coupled with weapons range nerf means less pvp. Short range weapons become almost useless in a Black Hole effect. If you use long-range weapons to compensate that also typically mean less dps. So even when you can apply damage, it takes much longer to do the same amount of damage to a target. This gives the target more time to escape, which is easier to do because of % velocity buff. Oh, wait. Higher velocity also means more damage mitigation. Even worse, your locking range is reduced. So you have even less time to fight before they get out of range.

Take a missile ship with a missile range about the same as its locking range under normal circumstances. In a C6 black hole, (easy math) its effective missile range is nerfed 25% and locking range 50%, further reducing missile range to locking range. Then you reduce applied dps by 50% because of the velocity bonus to the target.

Compared to normal space, your damage applied to the target is halved, and then your time available to apply that dps is halved again because of the range nerf. A missile ship's damage over time is reduced by as much as 75%!

Turrets suffer similarly, though to a lesser extent because of how transversal figures into the turret damage formula, and the need to spiral out, increasing time spent within locking range and reducing total damage mitigation.

I also want to point out that a falloff reduction unfairly effects certain turret systems (projectiles) more than others (lasers/rails). Why no optimal reduction? Light gets warped by high gravitational effects, too.

Here is my solution. First, dump all the range nerfs. All they do is discourage combat. Replace them with weapon effectiveness buffs to counter all that damage mitigation from the velocity buff. Leave the inertia effect unless it proves too unwieldy. I leave the exact mix to CCP devs. But my inclination is to follow the same progression as the velocity bonus. +100% explosion velocity and +100% tracking in a C6. +25% to each in a C1.

Now here is the fun part. Make every system on the test server a class 6 Black Hole for testing purposes and announce it loudly. I expect small ships should enjoy the environment while not being overwhelmingly OP.

I hate minmatar ships. I have flown them all of 5 times in 5 years. One was a shuttle. But that doesn't mean I can ignore an obviously unbalanced mechanic.

However, I just noticed something. Contrary to https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Wormhole_environment_effects#Black_Hole, EFT shows black holes do effect optimal. So all that stuff I said about it can be ignored.

Also, does this mean you like sticking your dill in a black hole?

This conversation makes me very uncomfortable.

JUST ACTIVATE THE GRAVITY PULL DAMN IT!

Leave blackholes as they are please. They are different to others as much as others are different from the rest.

If you can tell me that there are 0 blackholes occupied then there may be a need for change. That is not the case. Blackholes are occupied.

Yeah, it says lock range but it means optimal.

add a suckzone

nah change the graphic a little more blackholish

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/nustar/multimedia/pia16695.html#.UvyGmYVIUWI

graphic wise :) ^

I think your underestimate the 200% TiDi...

Everything you will do will take HALF the time it normally take. Be it mining or anom.

Also people abusing these system won't have any POS to fall back at the first sign of trouble.

That's the reason I said no planets or moons also people doing industry stuff or PI at x2 the normal speed would be aka to cheating.

Maybe I would even prevent people from anchoring anything in these systems. (People living with their mobile depots)

Also it's realistic with the effect, everything anchored will get sucked up by the black hole!

Need to add that C6 would be 200% TiDi, scaling down as normal for lesser class.

I know eve breaks physics, but I don't think they'd break the law of conservation of matter.

Just want to add my 2ISK here. CCP has been provided with links to this thread during the summit, so everything you post here is gonna get considered and talked about.