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The Righteousness of Vitoc
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#181 - 2011-11-09 00:03:08 UTC
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
This is what regimes based on religious doctrines are about (Theological Empire). This is also what regimes based on age are about (Tribal Republic), this is what regimes based on duty are about (Nationalistic State), this what regimes based on mass public opinion are about (Democratic Federation), and we could carry on endlessly. It is usually very hard to find true examples of societies where there is no prevalent moral code nor "poltically correct".


The others adapt and evolve with the times, the Republic, State and Federation have all undergone significant change in recent years. Yet there is no modernising or alternative to adapt stance when it comes to the Theology Council. When something is wrong in the other Empires change has come about, when something is wrong in the Amarrian Empire it is merely ignored and to complain is going against the faith.

Stubborn, I believe is the word.


Stubborn, probably, but there is less change only because you apply it the same scale of time.

The Empire has gone under drastic changes in its history, starting with the first meeting between the people of Athra and the other cultures living on their planet. Then, the moral reforms, and the status of the Emperor, Heideran in himself, etc. These changes sometimes had colossal effects on the organisation of the Empire. Especially the Moral Reforms, changing basically everything in the amarrian society. Another change was visible, but more in the minds of amarrian citizens after the battle of Vak'Atioth.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#182 - 2011-11-09 00:10:35 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
And unless I'm mistaken your point was that you read what I wrote as "You aren't considered "qualified" to talk about the Scriptures unless you've demonstrated that your thought process is along the same lines as ours. Should you deviate from this we'll denounce you a heretic, gotta keep the masses in check and all...".


Yes, "should you deviate once you've been considered qualified after demonstrating that your thought process is in line with ours." was the intended meaning. Apologies if it wasn't quite clear.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#183 - 2011-11-10 19:00:12 UTC
Arkady Sadik wrote:

So all in all, the Book of Reclaiming is very clear there about conversion by the sword, nothing else. All these debates about slavery are missing something, in my opinion - and that is that, while slavery in the exact form as employed right now by the Amarr might not be required by the Scriptures, the expansionism and conquest is. And the terminology is not particularly fuzzy there - this is about conquest by the sword, about no mercy, no peace, no solace, all brought by the Amarr. This is the main issue.

I find it curious that the tone in the Scriptures changes so drastically between these books. It's as if the Book of Reclaiming was added to a very different collection of books.


I have read an article offering an explanation for this difference. It all depends on the context of the Book of Reclaiming.

The basic message was that several thousand years ago, the Amarr believers were living a quiet, righteous life, whereupon their homeland was intruded upon by the Udorians. The Udorians were not Believers, and said and did things that were greatly offensive, which acted as a catalyst for social change in Amarr, turning them from quiet believers into zealous crusaders.
And then the newly crusading Amarr swept across the planet, incorporating some, and conquering others.
The book of Reclaiming is rumoured to date from then, and is a reaction of the previously quiet believers to this technologically superior intruder who was desecrating their culture. And that is why the book reads so differently to the others.

Similar to how the Caldari changed upon contact with the Gallente, in a way.

Of course, this depends on the context of the book. When it was written and where. This rumour that it dates from the encounters with the Udorians may be a translation error, or all sorts of other things.

It is Written.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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