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jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#221 - 2013-08-12 21:26:01 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Cos let's face it without the Goons, CCP would have folded years ago and nobody would ever play eve....


Pretty much.
Belco Ssefeaba
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2013-08-12 21:50:32 UTC
jujumagumboo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Cos let's face it without the Goons, CCP would have folded years ago and nobody would ever play eve....


Pretty much.


What a good little grunt you are.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#223 - 2013-08-12 21:52:33 UTC
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Cos let's face it without the Goons, CCP would have folded years ago and nobody would ever play eve....


Pretty much.


What a good little grunt you are.

IDK, I think he's more of a goon fanboy than an actual goon.

I mean, he's not even in their Alliance.

I guess that makes him more like the tween girl to their Justin Bieber.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#224 - 2013-08-12 22:17:50 UTC
I long ago stopped assuming that jujumagumboo is serious. I mean, if he is then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that many years ago his sense of perspective must have crawled into a corner and starved to death, weeping, alone and unloved.

Of course, if he's not serious then we can conclude much the same thing about his sense of humour.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
jujumagumboo
Goonswarm Protective Services
#225 - 2013-08-12 22:18:20 UTC
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Cos let's face it without the Goons, CCP would have folded years ago and nobody would ever play eve....


Pretty much.


What a good little grunt you are.


I do my part. One post at a time.
Belco Ssefeaba
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2013-08-12 22:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Belco Ssefeaba
Alpheias wrote:
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
I have yet to see compelling arguments why WiS should be implemented at all when WiS at its core is more pointless than missions and really just caters to specific groups of people who really ought to be sterilized.


"I'm incapable of reading the myriad of threads full of cogent points supporting the existence of WIS, and I want everyone who doesn't agree with me to go away and quit reminding me of how wrong and close-minded I am."

Lol


Since you are new around here, I have read similar threads like this one and the tune they play is the same. I have yet to see one that presents solid arguments why CCP should dedicate dev time (which means MONEY) into implementing WiS when the vast majority of players do not want WiS when there is more pressing issues at hand than to implement something that literally is just fluff.


Been playing Eve since 2006, just fyi.

Everything else you said has been addressed in many, many other posts. You can do the legwork yourself and you know, actually read the posts and see for yourself that it could add more than just fluff to the game.

Also, I have to laugh at all these armchair managers who think they know how to run a game dev company better than the actual game developers. They have a seperate team of designers for WIS, designers who were specifically hired for that purpose. They already have a team for the space portion of the game. Throwing more team members and money at the space side of the game isn't going to get things done more efficiently.

They've heard the justified complaints about microtransactions, and they listened. Now they're doing things the way it should have been done from the get-go. What more do you want? (and no, abandoning WIS is not an option, as that would also be a GIGANTIC waste of already spent money and dev-time).
Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2013-08-12 22:34:52 UTC
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
and no, abandoning WIS is not an option.


They have already abandoned it. They certainly aren't going to go back to it while DUST is on its deathbed and WoD is vaporware.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#228 - 2013-08-12 22:34:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Little Dragon Khamez
Alaekessa wrote:
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Cos let's face it without the Goons, CCP would have folded years ago and nobody would ever play eve....


Pretty much.


What a good little grunt you are.

IDK, I think he's more of a goon fanboy than an actual goon.

I mean, he's not even in their Alliance.

I guess that makes him more like the tween girl to their Justin Bieber.


I was actually being sarcastic, I'm not a fan of the goons, hence my derision, I thought most people would have realised, apologies for being unclear.

Just checked my post only to find that jujumagumboo edited my quote by lopping the tail off to distort the meaning, which is a dirty, underhand politicians trick. Goes to show he'll do anything to advance his argument even editing quotes, makes him look very desperate indeed lol. It should also tell you that he has lost, both morally and tactically.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Belco Ssefeaba
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#229 - 2013-08-12 22:37:56 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
and no, abandoning WIS is not an option.


They have already abandoned it. They certainly aren't going to go back to it while DUST is on its deathbed and WoD is vaporware.


Explain Team Avatar then.

Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

I was actually being sarcastic, I'm not a fan of the goons, hence my derision, I thought most people would have realised, apologies for being unclear.


You're fine, it was directed at jujumagoonfanboy.
Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2013-08-12 22:48:34 UTC
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
Explain Team Avatar then.


How much WiS content has been added to the game since the last of the CQs were added?
Belco Ssefeaba
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2013-08-12 22:50:57 UTC
Goddess Ishtar wrote:
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
Explain Team Avatar then.


How much WiS content has been added to the game since the last of the CQs were added?


Not a lot, because people like you ***** and moan at the mere mention of it lately. It's on the backburner, according to the devs. I suggest you read and get informed before posting.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#232 - 2013-08-12 22:51:06 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Alaekessa wrote:
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Cos let's face it without the Goons, CCP would have folded years ago and nobody would ever play eve....


Pretty much.


What a good little grunt you are.

IDK, I think he's more of a goon fanboy than an actual goon.

I mean, he's not even in their Alliance.

I guess that makes him more like the tween girl to their Justin Bieber.


I was actually being sarcastic, I'm not a fan of the goons, hence my derision, I thought most people would have realised, apologies for being unclear.

Just checked my post only to find that jujumagumboo edited my quote by lopping the tail off to distort the meaning, which is a dirty, underhand politicians trick. Goes to show he'll do anything to advance his argument even editing quotes, makes him look very desperate indeed lol. It should also tell you that he has lost, both morally and tactically.


Yes, I <3 Sarcasm (totally honest, not being sarcastic at all).

Belco has it right, it was directed at jujumagoonfanboy.
Goddess Ishtar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2013-08-12 23:05:58 UTC
Belco Ssefeaba wrote:
It's on the backburner, according to the devs.


And that's exactly what they want you to continue to believe.
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#234 - 2013-08-12 23:17:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ivy greene wrote:
I find the whole space part daunting and overwhelming. I'd rather just socialize on a station after a quiet afternoon of mining :3

oh well, maybe some time down there road...


So facebook with beer and hookers?


Forget the Facebook and beer.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-08-12 23:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
I have yet to see compelling arguments why WiS should be implemented at all when WiS at its core is more pointless than missions and really just caters to specific groups of people who really ought to be sterilized.


Maybe my vision of WiS slightly differs from the stereotypical "Barbies in Space"- but I can give you a compelling reason in a single word:

Fear.


Nowhere should be safe in Eve, danger should be everywhere.
Fear makes people dock up in stations.
Fear makes CEOs tell their corp not to undock during war.

Now fear should drive these people out of the station again- since staying in a confined station full of enemies should be more dangerous than trying to undock and flee into open space or just fight your way out.


You think like a Sith Lord! I lllike it!

Someone eluded to this earlier. If your avatar is killed in WiS, then your toon "pops like a soap bubble" and all that's left is all of your loots and a pile of empty clothes. I don't think that would work. Most of our loots are stored in ship hangers, and our money is in the bank. The only thing left to loot would be our blood-soaked, burnt, and tattered clothing, and our piercings if we have those.

Wait.... implants... They could loot those....

Then we'll just do WiS in jump clones... There, implants are safe....

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2013-08-13 00:01:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Deleted. Sorry. Double posted, again...

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#237 - 2013-08-13 00:40:22 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Xessej wrote:

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.


Davon said it pretty well.

Davon Mandra'thin wrote:

They didn't spent 2 years on the CQ. They spent two years on the Carbon engine, which we have been reaping the benefits of ever since. Those amazing expansions you talk about have only been possible because of those two years working on Carbon. The hard work is done now, the engine is finished and they've been using it for years, they just need to make more WiS content.


Walking in Station wasn't why so little was done over that time. You can blame it on "WiS Developement" all you want, but we never got WiS... we got racial themed prison rooms after two years of Carbon development. If you think it took them two years to make those rooms then your fooling yourself. Carbon has been a god send, making things like the V3 textures, time dilation and other things possible. That's what they did over those two years. Just because the first thing they released was the captains quarters doesn't mean that's what they spend that time doing. Have you any idea how much resources are required to make a games engine? That why we saw so little content over that time.

To use your words, "how many times" does this have to be explained to you?

Man you need to learn to read. No one rioted because they spent some time developing Carbon. We rioted and unsubbed because after Incarna came out, and therefore after Carbon was in a working state, CCP published a projection for the next year and a half of development that included nothing but WiS. That was the straw that broke our backs.

In reality the two years before Incarna were very good years for Eve. Apocrypha was one of the best expansions ever, Dominion was a complete re work of sov (it failed but it was still a huge change), Tyrranis was sort of a bust but that is because of trying to force a system to interact with Dust on us. Incursion was a huge change to the game (no learning skills) and added the actual Inursions. So the problem wasn't that the previous two years hadn't had a lot of good releases but that 18 months after Incarna with no fixes or improvements on existing content while shoving more and more WiS down our throats was unacceptable.
Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#238 - 2013-08-13 00:46:46 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Xessej wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
jujumagumboo wrote:

If the population had continued to dwindle after Incarna that would have confirmed that cutting jobs and refocusing on real Eve content was a mistake. That's not what happened.


Dude, seriously. Are you a pigeon? Just how many times do we have to explain to you that problem with incarna WAS NOT WiS but its greedy and forced implementation?

I hate incarna myself and was among those angry players. But not because of WiS

How many times do you need to be told WiS was a huge part of the problem with Incarna. People could have probably lived with the blank wall and the monocle but when we were told that CCP was going to spend a year and a half doing nothing but WiS that was when the player base unsubbed and rioted.


How many times do we have to repeat that Incarna WAS NOT THE WiS , THEY PROMISED?

They admitted they had no idea what game play they could produce for WiS and they still don't.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2013-08-13 00:54:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
I wasn't there when Jita burned and the monument was demolished in those riots just before the unsubscribes, but I remember getting the sense that the reason behind the massive walk-offs had to do with pay to win and CCP's crazy idea for micro-transactions... WiS was not what did it. Pay to win and outlandish micro-transactions was what caused the rebellion.

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2013-08-13 01:12:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Satomi
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I wasn't there when Jita burned and the monument was demolished in those riots just before the unsubscribes, but I remember getting the sense that the reason behind the massive walk-offs had to do with pay to win and CCP's crazy idea for micro-transactions... WiS was not what did it. Pay to win and outlandish micro-transactions was what caused the rebellion.

I was there. I even posted in the threadnaught, and someone else took to quoting my text as bold and upsized. The reasons were indeed pay-to-win plus the leaked Gordon Gecko newsletter, plus the patronizing $1000 jeans comment. It brewed the perfect storm. Having a full release where we only got a single well-appointed cell was icing on the crap cake.

To the poster that claims they still have no gameplay... Well they did build an exploration prototype where you had to get out of your pod to explore ruins leaving your ship open for the taking and you vulnerable to clone loss.