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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-08-07 19:52:18 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Nobody in their right mind has taken this climate thing seriously in years. The warming has ended, natural adjustment mechanics are in place, time to find a new doomsay.


Let me guess, you're PR from an oil company?

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Mr Pragmatic
#22 - 2013-08-07 19:55:13 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Nobody in their right mind has taken this climate thing seriously in years. The warming has ended, natural adjustment mechanics are in place, time to find a new doomsay.


Let me guess, you're PR from an oil company?



Al gore says Florida will be under water in the next 50 years due to polar ice caps melting.......buys house on the coast in Florida. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#23 - 2013-08-07 19:57:29 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Nobody in their right mind has taken this climate thing seriously in years. The warming has ended, natural adjustment mechanics are in place, time to find a new doomsay.


Let me guess, you're PR from an oil company?



Al gore says Florida will be under water in the next 50 years due to polar ice caps melting.......buys house on the coast in Florida. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.


Al Gore will probably be dead in the next 50 years. Seems like a solid purchase to me.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2013-08-07 19:58:29 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Nobody in their right mind has taken this climate thing seriously in years. The warming has ended, natural adjustment mechanics are in place, time to find a new doomsay.


Let me guess, you're PR from an oil company?



Al gore says Florida will be under water in the next 50 years due to polar ice caps melting.......buys house on the coast in Florida. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.


He also has a private jet.

Florida will go underwater an al gore is so rich he just wont care about losing a holiday home.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#25 - 2013-08-07 20:09:07 UTC
Mr Pragmatic wrote:
ElQuirko wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Nobody in their right mind has taken this climate thing seriously in years. The warming has ended, natural adjustment mechanics are in place, time to find a new doomsay.


Let me guess, you're PR from an oil company?



Al gore says Florida will be under water in the next 50 years due to polar ice caps melting.......buys house on the coast in Florida. Things that make you go hmmmmmm.


I wish Mr. Gore would hurry up and flood the State already, instead of moving the goalpost every few years. I'd love to watch the polar bears drown on the TV in the cabin of my boat.
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-07 20:13:59 UTC
I just farted, don't sue me!
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#27 - 2013-08-07 20:15:18 UTC
Lets see what happens if we do the math right
Average number of players online at any given time: 30,000
Computer wattage: 300
Average power: 9 megaWatts

That is about the same power as used by 9000 typical homes, or 1% of the output of a major power plant. If you wanted to get that much power from currently available solar cells, given their efficiency and limitations due to solar availability, you would need an array 500 meters on a side. That sounds like alot, but worldwide more than that is installed every day.

It sounds alot better when you say you would need 0.5 square meters of solar cells per subscriber. Thats like $100 of solar cells per subscriber.

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Na Und
Galactronics
#28 - 2013-08-07 20:20:53 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
...you would need an array 500 meters on a side.


Oh boy, wait 'til the enivironmentalists find out.
Shocked
Iskander Phoenix
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-08-07 20:29:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Op needs to nag their government to send more funding to the fusion reactor under construction in france


i have a friend doing energy based physics and from what i know from him as soon as that reactor is done. isnt that pretty much the energy crisis solved?
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#30 - 2013-08-07 20:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Dalmont Delantee
Oh god too many people from a north american country who has a particular desire to wear tin foil hats (just so not to be racist) play this game:

1) Global Warming is a fact, there is plenty of evidence that human generated gases and processes (chopping down rainforests) have increased average temps.

2) Natural processes have in the past produced significantly more global warming gases (I love it the nut job creationists who say this but then only believe the world is only a couple of thousand years old) but sustained processes have been in the past mass plateau volcanic eruptions etc etc None of which we've had recently

3) The suns 'power' shall we say varies and it could be producing more or less than previously, we just don't have the data on that yet.

In conclusion, the use of fossil fuels is relasing stored carbon as carbon dioxide increasing levels to what could potentially cause changes to the global weather systems.

Can we stop it? No.
Can we slow it? Possibly, and either way more efficent and intellegent use of resources is always a good thing. Also unilateral sharing of knowledge, duties, and beliefs is never going to happen anyway
Can the earth fix itself? Possibly again, we don't know this one at all. It will screw everything over in the process if it does (massive algal mats killing whole lots of the oceans and water courses etc etc)

Anyway, its more likely the dioxins, pesticides and GM crops that have an activator gene in that will kill us all off first.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#31 - 2013-08-07 20:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Iskander Phoenix wrote:
i have a friend doing energy based physics and from what i know from him as soon as that reactor is done. isnt that pretty much the energy crisis solved?

A large portion of the energy crisis has to do with storage and distribution. If those can be solved, the production method becomes mainly one of preference and argumentation, with a side of intellectual curiosity.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#32 - 2013-08-07 20:36:36 UTC
Na Und wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
...you would need an array 500 meters on a side.


Oh boy, wait 'til the enivironmentalists find out.
Shocked

Not a new issue. This power plant had a run in with the desert tortoise. Still it uses less land area than the open pit coal mine needed for a conventional power plant.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-08-07 20:56:11 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Iskander Phoenix wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Op needs to nag their government to send more funding to the fusion reactor under construction in france


i have a friend doing energy based physics and from what i know from him as soon as that reactor is done. isnt that pretty much the energy crisis solved?


More or less.

Get fusion plants running and we will have all the power we need not only to keep the lights on but to also run what we need for fuel cells in cars and desalinisation plants which will solve a lot of the worlds water problems. It would solve so many problems we have and are causing but its too late to stop the total collapse of the Greenland and most of the Antarctic ice sheets or the loss of all sea ice in the arctic in the summer and the mass release of gas from Siberia, Canada and continental deposits.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#34 - 2013-08-07 21:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Obviously we do have an effect on the environment, however I've seen it change from OMG the earth is freezing in the 70's to OMG the earth is heating from the 80's onwards. TBH most of the climate change proponents don't seem to actually know what is happening, and they conveniently forget that we're in an interglacial period, for example around the 10th Century Greenland was populated by Vikings, and from what archaeology tells us it was quite the green and pleasant land back then, whereas now it's 80% icecap.

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Na Und
Galactronics
#35 - 2013-08-07 21:37:13 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Na Und wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
...you would need an array 500 meters on a side.


Oh boy, wait 'til the enivironmentalists find out.
Shocked

Not a new issue. This power plant had a run in with the desert tortoise. Still it uses less land area than the open pit coal mine needed for a conventional power plant.


And it will power, what, 100,000 homes? oooh
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-08-07 21:59:17 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Obviously we do have an effect on the environment, however I've seen it change from OMG the earth is freezing in the 70's to OMG the earth is heating from the 80's onwards. TBH most of the climate change proponents don't seem to actually know what is happening, and they conveniently forget that we're in an interglacial period, for example around the 10th Century Greenland was populated by Vikings, and from what archaeology tells us it was quite the green and pleasant land back then, whereas now it's 80% icecap.


And tectonic plates were just a new theory back in the 70s.

Science has moved on and is no longer as lost as it once was. We know what is going to happen the question is just how bad we are going to let it get.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-08-07 22:16:56 UTC
Hanubisades wrote:
Hi CCP REYKJAVIK, ICELAND,

I am concerned by this game and the environmental and ecology impact on the world.
If you wish, on eve, by the mechanics, you can stay connected 24H/24H
Here is some little numbers.
500'000 subscribers numbers found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_Online
If we take 10% of away from keayboard Player's
1 PC low Graphics = 300 Watts.
Take it on 23H and 7days
300x23x7= 48'300 Watts / week
48'300x50'000= 2'415'000'000 Watts / week
That is what the game provides on the environment with the away from keyboard and ghost campers that you leave on.
I am really concerned by this. It is a lots of power used for nothing.
Iceland is a known country for ecology and environment considerations.
A little link that i like http://www.icelandair.us/information/about-icelandair/environmental-policy/
If you take examples on other game. If you stay away from keyboard for x time (about 15 to 30 minutes) server kick's you.
And if your computer is configured with good settings it will go in standby.
Could you tell me your concerns on this ?

Wait...is this some kind of metagaming positioning?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2013-08-07 22:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
baltec1 wrote:

Science has moved on and is no longer as lost as it once was. We know what is going to happen the question is just how bad we are going to let it get.

As long as polluting and ravaging the planet is profitable, it'll carry on.

edit - It'll balance out eventually, if global warming is actually happening then areas of the planet will become uninhabitable and populations will either migrate or die out. Oil and gas will eventually run out and then whatever is left of humanity will either slip back into the dark ages or find alternative energy sources that don't do such a good job of altering our environment for the worse.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#39 - 2013-08-07 22:22:24 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

Science has moved on and is no longer as lost as it once was. We know what is going to happen the question is just how bad we are going to let it get.

As long as polluting and ravaging the planet is profitable, it'll carry on, and then it'll be too late.


Aye, its already too late. Its not going to wipe us out but the next 100 years are going to suck for a lot of people.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-08-07 22:34:56 UTC
This whole thread makes no sense.

If players wouldn't run EvE, then they would do something else on their computers,
so it's totally irrelevant anyway.
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