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Rattlesnake anymore?

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Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
#1 - 2013-08-07 12:11:10 UTC
Is there any1 using Rattlesnake with success? (both PVP and PVE)

To me it seems that this ships is sub-par to all other ships of the same class, or am I wrong?

LM
Saya Hecatonchires
Sons of Caldari
#2 - 2013-08-07 12:59:03 UTC
I'm actually using a rattlesnake in LV4 missions farming.

It is an excellent drone boat, I try it after using a missile boat for long time (scorp navy issue).

I use it with passive shield tank. I was surprised how much it was efficient only with techII modules and techI rigs, now it's a bit more shiny but not excessive (less than 800M ship hull included) .
I'll be at 1050+dps within one week (drone interfacing V) and missing sentry techII (skill at 3).
Never had trouble in lvl4 mission. (never done the angel extravaganza bonus room with it...had to try Blink)
Some are requiring attention due to drone aggroing, so no afk.

AND : I love the gurista paint scheme and the hull
efficient and sexy Big smile

I'll never try other drone boat except the gila (a mini rattlesnake).

fly free

Only rabbit can do the job ! let's go rabbit, jump and go !!

Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-08-07 13:09:48 UTC
I ran a mission with it last night.

It's not the fastest, but I was exhausted, on a laptop and sloppy...it's the most forgiving hull I can think of that can still kill at a respectable rate.

And, that's what I use mine for - lazy/tired/carefree missioning and it excels in that role. I could fit it differently and clear faster at a cost of durability but I have other things for that.

I believe an active rattler has a genuinely sick DPS/tank capability but it's oft overlooked as everyone and their mother passive fits them.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2013-08-07 16:10:58 UTC
works pretty well as a semi-afk mission boat. if it had better missile dps I'd probably load up on damage mods and active tank it, but as is I mostly just passive tank with a MJD and semi afk with auto targeting missiles. also if you get jammed or damped or w/e and have to pull your drones in you can manually fire off another volley of auto targeting missiles and your drones will start shooting again.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-08-07 16:30:37 UTC
If what you want is great projection, awesome tank and decent dps while having loads of utility

Yea the rattler is pretty amazing.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-08-07 17:51:02 UTC
Rattlesnake... pvp?


Can you hear them? They are calling to us. It is beautiful. http://thegreattichim.wordpress.com/

GTC Onzo
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-08-07 18:22:07 UTC
Have you guys not seen the rattlers fielded in the last few AT's?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-08-07 20:25:26 UTC
I've used the rattler as a safe drone sniper mission runner that doesn't sacrifice that much DPS, and is safe for tough epic arc missions. If you're a minmax isk/hr use that pimped navy shield domi with the double damage and go to town. If you're not doing that the rattler is awesome.

highs = drone augs. Missile optional. AMLs are fun too.
mids = mwd/MJD dual prop. 2 faction omni links, 3 slot tank (you're not a brawler, and you don't need to be sustainable)
4x DDAs, sigamp, damage control
rigs: whatever

I don't passive tank my rattler because I like having capacitor and damage. Passive tank + mwd doesn't work so good.

its fun, but with the domi's 50% bonus to drone tracking and range, the ability to use garde's at insane ranges might make it better in this role than the snake.

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Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#9 - 2013-08-07 20:30:57 UTC
Another huge benefit of a rattler is that it works extremely well (in PVE) when fitted with just t2 modules. Other top end PVE ships need a lot of expensive shiny stuff to work.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-08-07 20:42:25 UTC
rattlesnake is a good ship. The reason many people actually dont use is is that it needs 2 different platform of weapons to be used at max . Missiles and sentries. If you go t2 on both then make it active , its a hell of a platform to be using and let's just say it can tank pretty much everything in the game ment for solo

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Allyxy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-07 21:27:42 UTC
Ty for all your answers, but I'm not yet convinced that RS is on pair with other Faction BSs.

I tried in EFT all the combination suggested and other faction fitting but its always much worse than others ( e.g. Machariels, Vargur etc... and even Dominix).

It's just average and does not excel in anything.

It also explain why a mach bpc cost as three times and a RS bpc imho.

AY
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-08-07 21:56:22 UTC
it not sub par. t2 rattlesnake can do whatever it wants at drone regions. any other bs there is sub par

also a rattle can solo 10/10 . other faction bs need at least 4x times or more the price . The mach bpc cost more because the demand is higher

Dominix for example were around 80m maybe less if you searched a bit. Look at them now that the demand has increased. The cruise lancher buff has made RS increasing as a demand for the market but still is nowhere near the machariel's . So its not right to judge the ships from the price they are sold.

Ride hard, live with passionĀ 

Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-07 22:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Allyxy wrote:
Ty for all your answers, but I'm not yet convinced that RS is on pair with other Faction BSs.

I tried in EFT all the combination suggested and other faction fitting but its always much worse than others ( e.g. Machariels, Vargur etc... and even Dominix).

It's just average and does not excel in anything.

It also explain why a mach bpc cost as three times and a RS bpc imho.

AY


Find me another BS that'll have (racial defences) 140k EHP, tank over 1200 DPS with a mere T2 tank, still put out over 800 DPS and is 100% cap stable I.e. zero cap use for /anything/


Can't tell me that's not excelling.
Ejderdisi
Rogue Inferno.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2013-08-07 23:54:05 UTC
They are way overtanked thus not dieing to anything.

And actually domi after the recent buff, is just a better drone dps boat. With enough tank for lvl4s. So why pay isk for a faction ship which is actually worse than a domi.

Lvl5s and 10/10s are actually not rattlesnake exclusive but I guess PvE guys love their undying boats.

I would love to see dominix's tracking bonus on rattler for sure. Maybe losing resist bonus for more missile damage. It is not like you will die easily to lvl4s with 7 mids...
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-08-08 00:54:56 UTC
Ejderdisi wrote:
They are way overtanked thus not dieing to anything.

And actually domi after the recent buff, is just a better drone dps boat. With enough tank for lvl4s. So why pay isk for a faction ship which is actually worse than a domi.

Lvl5s and 10/10s are actually not rattlesnake exclusive but I guess PvE guys love their undying boats.

I would love to see dominix's tracking bonus on rattler for sure. Maybe losing resist bonus for more missile damage. It is not like you will die easily to lvl4s with 7 mids...


With 4 x DDA's and T2 sentries you will find they both do the same dps. If you fit 2 omni's to the RS it will have the same drone optimal as the domi. It will have a better tank. You could argue that you could could put 2 omnis on the domi to increase range, and tracking, but that doesn't make it a better drone boat imo. The highs you could carried away an argue missiles over hybrids too if you want. In the end they both drone boats with the RS giving the same drone dps but with a much better tank, passive or active.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#16 - 2013-08-08 03:52:38 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Passive tank + mwd doesn't work so good.


Passive tank + MJD + Kinetic drones = Snipe crap from 80km, when they get under 20km recall, hit warp, poof, you're 100km away. Wait a minute for rats to turn around and get within 80km again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2013-08-08 04:49:57 UTC
Holgrak Blacksmith wrote:
Another huge benefit of a rattler is that it works extremely well (in PVE) when fitted with just t2 modules. Other top end PVE ships need a lot of expensive shiny stuff to work.


not at all. usually worst case is you need a bit of faction to make it all fit. faction damage mods are just nice to have, and anything on the tank is mostly pimping for the hell of it.

Annunaki soldier wrote:
it not sub par. t2 rattlesnake can do whatever it wants at drone regions. any other bs there is sub par

also a rattle can solo 10/10 . other faction bs need at least 4x times or more the price . The mach bpc cost more because the demand is higher

Dominix for example were around 80m maybe less if you searched a bit. Look at them now that the demand has increased. The cruise lancher buff has made RS increasing as a demand for the market but still is nowhere near the machariel's . So its not right to judge the ships from the price they are sold.


odyssey added a lot to the domi build cost. heck the extra materials are greater than the base materials. mineral prices are sliding a bit, so roughly the domi should be about 2x what it used to cost.

Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Find me another BS that'll have (racial defences) 140k EHP, tank over 1200 DPS with a mere T2 tank, still put out over 800 DPS and is 100% cap stable I.e. zero cap use for /anything/


Can't tell me that's not excelling.


honestly sounds pretty boring to me.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-08-08 05:48:06 UTC
Boring? Perhaps. However the claim was it doesn't excel and that to me is a boat excelling at huge passive tanking for soaking up massive damage whilst still able to put out decent damage.

Would you want it in L4s? No. But there's more to eve than level 4s Smile
Ejderdisi
Rogue Inferno.
Pandemic Horde
#19 - 2013-08-08 06:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ejderdisi
Cage Man wrote:


With 4 x DDA's and T2 sentries you will find they both do the same dps. If you fit 2 omni's to the RS it will have the same drone optimal as the domi. It will have a better tank. You could argue that you could could put 2 omnis on the domi to increase range, and tracking, but that doesn't make it a better drone boat imo. The highs you could carried away an argue missiles over hybrids too if you want. In the end they both drone boats with the RS giving the same drone dps but with a much better tank, passive or active.


Well... that's what I am saying. Rattle has insane tank while having same dps with a tech 1 dominix. In the mean time that domi has good tank for anything PvE. Why do you need to bother to buy a faction BS when you can have same dps with better tracking.

Only reason is insane tank of rattle. Honestly no other pirate BS so close to any other tech 1 BS.

Mach is on par or better than marauders for PvE. Extremelly good PvP ship too.
Bhaalgorn is the BS pilgrim. Ok not cloak but you got the point. Nothing tech 1 come close.
Vindicator is a monster boat too.
Nightmare crazy laser tracking and damage projection with only problem of it being em+thermal damage. Mostly compared with marauders.

Then looks like we have rattlesnake, coward guristas overtanked faction BS with needs to put in 2 omnis (as we all know tracking actually means dps) just to be equal with t1 BS.

I think changing the resist bonus to something aggresive should just push rattler to be a great pirate ship. Maybe even some jamming power. As guristas are nuts with them.. I and mostly rest of eve would like to play exciting ships not passive tanking abominations with lows filled with shield power relays.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-08 06:54:10 UTC
Did you even read my post?

Also, there's more than level 4's out there. If you're only comparing that tiny, tiny isolated fragment of the game for your analysis ... then sure, it's 'sub-par' (and a situation only created by the [imho] massively out of whack Domi). But ALL pirate BS are also crap mining barges compared to a Mack...../sigh

Go take a lone T2 fit pirate battleship into a high end plex...let me know how that works out for you. Or a really neut heavy site.
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