EVE General Discussion

No it isn't.

After the change:

Every blob that had an OGB will now have a command ship.

Every small gang that could of had an OGB, can't anymore.

And you talk about logic.

Here is the newest post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=264773&find=unread

Currently: If a smaller gang wants to fight a bigger gang, they are already at a disadvantage because of numbers. When the bigger gang starts using ganglinks that boost their speed, web/scram range, and tank.. The small gang has no choice but to also do the same. This is done by T3 alts, off grid. Thus both sides are equal in terms of bonuses.


Proposed Idea: A smaller gang wants to fight a bigger gang, they jump in and realize the bigger gang has a massively tanked command ship giving off all types of bonuses. They no longer can use an off grid boost so they don't receive any bonuses to counter the bigger gang, The bigger gang effectively has more ships, goes faster, scrams further, and tanks harder than the smaller gang. How is that any better?

This is a big "**** you" to all small gang PvPers out there. Why buff the already too strong blobs?

How are you going to fix this CCP? Or are you just saying "if you want to win you have to blob"?


If this is honestly their best idea I'd rather have bonuses removed all together.

Whether or not you wish to "have anything to do with it" or not is irrelevant. It is the EVE design philosophy and the goal of the team to encourage this kind of play.

It's not about giving boosts to existing players, but rather encouraging new players to adopt a certain style of play and, more importantly, to try and recruit new players to the game.

EVE thrives on alliances, corporations and fleet combat. If more numbers = greater strength, then guess what a new player is going to do in his first few weeks in the game (as he realizes this)? He's going to email/message every single one of his friends and say "Dude, you need to come join this game and fly with me."

CCP does not want to encourage small groups, 1v1 and solo play. This does not drive word-of-mouth advertising in the same way. It reduces the need of players to recruit friends, and doesn't result in the kind of epic, legendary in-game events that CCP uses to advertise EVE. They want massive fleet combat to draw in new players. Something for the history books, not "Oh a few guys over there shot at each other. Neat."

They will certainly not make small gang play impossible, and it will always remain a viable style, but you're not going to win wars, gain sovereignty, or pose a "reaT" threat to a larger force with a small group.

So, like it or not, "get more friends" is the answer. Plain and simple.

It's so cute how the word "Sandbox" gets thrown around in these forums. People seem to think it means "Do whatever the **** you want no matter what."

Guess what? Sandboxes have sides. They're BOXES. You have to stay within the box or you don't get to play in the sand.

Sandboxes also have rules. Go sit in one and try to take a big **** and see how fast the cops show up.

Maybe it is because im new or cannot grasp the core concept:
More people in a fleet being stronger then less people in a fleet is outrageous how?

Maybe it is because im new or cannot grasp the core concept:
More people in a fleet being stronger then less people in a fleet is outrageous how?

Because that makes twinks cry they should have a super beam of death with a 30sec CD system effect doing a trillion DMG per resist so they have a chance fighting larger groups.

OGB is one of those "twink" scripts and horrible mechanic added to the game that should never had existed in the first place but they're now crying because it has to be on grid or whatsoever, they're crying because the possible losses on their killboard.
You're dealing here with the rudest community about getting any of their "I Win buttons off"

If you take a close look at all threads about this, those against are always the same with same and even enw alts posting against the removal (in this single thread I can already spot one with at least 3 alts posting) and you can also figure the majority of players from all areas of the game from WH/high sec lows sec or null would like to see this mechanic get deleted from the database because its simple a very bad mechanic. .

Small gang PvP has been suffering for a long time now.

It is only outrageous because until now small gangs could attempt to fight bigger fleets on equal footing. Both sides could get the same game changing bonuses from gang links.

With this change, bigger blobs can have these gang changing bonuses much much easier than a small gang could ever hope, not only will the blobs have more numbers (which is fine) they will also have game changing bonuses that the small gang cannot (is not fine).

You don't get it, I'm all for the TOTAL REMOVE OF BOOSTERS AND LINKS FROM THE GAME.