Missions & Complexes

Because EVE is the only game on the market that has been played for many years by thousands of players like addicts? There are definately not any easyer/less niche games that were succesful at doing this right.

I an older than you. I took the time to check things out before complaining.

Here: http://neural-boost.com/minicontainer-loot-distribution

And here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244165

The worst part about these post-Odyssey 'What do you guys think of exploration?' threads is that half of the responses are from folks who clearly never explored with any consistency prior to the update, all gushing about the idea that they suddently got much better at exploring, and the other half are from actual explorers that respond with a sort of sullen post-mortem on something that could have been saved if CCP had listened to its playerbase.

Seriously, the test server forum threadnaught for Odyssey got up to something like 80 pages, and nearly every single post was vitriolic disbelief that they'd consider these changes an 'update' to exploration as a profession (with the notable exception of launching all probes at once). CCP chose, for whatever reasons, to ignore the feedback, and what we have is an iphone game of fruit ninja in space, clicking on lootspew for %25 of the income that was possible before the changes.

The fix doesn't require any additional features, no extravagant and complicated overthought, and it doesn't require a dev team - simply reverse every single change except the ability to launch all probes at once, and call it a day.

Rats back in profession sites so that people can't zip around in cheap, invisible frigates that present almost no risk. Removal of the minigames (or at the very least, the lootspew - people seem divided on the hacking minigame). No system scan when gating in, automatically throwing every sig in the zone into your face, perhaps the most un-exploration thing ever. Reduce the scan strengths to what they were prior, so that exploration requires an actual time investment when skilling up.

I think CCP got so caught up in making sure newer players could 'get into' exploration that they accidentally broke the incentive for those same players to stick with it as a profession long-term. It's all pipe dreams at this point, obviously, which makes me just as ridiculous as anyone else in this thread - the only thing less likely than CCP implementing brand new mechanics and features to adjust exploration is the idea that they'd admit Odyssey was a huge mistake for the profession and take it all back. Depressing.

Well, I do know that Deadspace Boosters/Reps are getting a "relative nerf" in the form of everything else getting buffed, so that might have something to do with the steadily dropping prices - they honestly didn't dip until the announcement was made.

Lucas Irvam:

You have hit the nail on the head. Actually, several of them.

The complete lack of concern with which CCP is dismantling EvE in a headlong rush to dumb it down as completely and quickly as possible is a symptom of one of two possibilities:

1. CCP remains in such severe financial trouble from its mistakes of two years ago (when it very publicly had to fire 20% of its employees) that the leadership is desperate to try anything that might increase revenue in the short term, irregardless of long term consequences.

or,

2. Those calling the shots at CCP really do not know what their own game is. I would bet a cheeseburger the CEO has never played Eve seriously, but has spent a lot of time salivating over the bonuses paid to executives producing WoW.

The mini-game is too luck-based. The first few times were interesting in a novel way, but now has become repetitive, and you can only hope that you don't run into a "nightmare" defence node configuration where you open 2+ restoration nodes. There's not much you can do except hope. :(

I was about to complete my third relic / data site for today but gave up when my index finger began to ache from the MINDLESS CLICKING of this so-called "mini-game". Each board consists of 9 x 9 nodes, so 81 nodes. Usually you won't find the system node until towards the end, so we're looking at 50+ clicks per SUCCESSFUL attempt. If you fail, you can multiply that by two.

So for each site, we're looking at 300-600 clicks within the space of 15 minutes. You're almost clicking the mouse continuously each second. I can't imagine anyone doing this for more than a few hours before they stop due to physical discomfort

This is just terribly designed. A mildly intellectual game like a jigsaw puzzle would've been okay, but this current luck-based "mini-game" is just an exercise in finger stamina and pain.

the new exploration system is none of the above.

CCP needs to make "Tier 2" profession sites that require more skill and have rats. Or at least the threat of rats.

When i started playing EVE (you still had to move each probe manually at that time), i hopped into t1 scanning frigate with a codebreaker after like 2-3 days of training and looked for radar sites in highsec. Sure i couldnt pin all sites, but enough to get some nice money for such a young character from finding decryptors. I doubt that it is a rewarding activity now, however.

So what you are saying is just not true. Sure i couldn't find and do all, but i was young and i accepted that - as an analogy, do you think a manufacturer just starting out should be able to build capital ships or tech2 stuff without investing training time in skills? Surely you cannot think that.

It is also, in my opinion, a good thing that there are areas of gameplay where you are not 'spoonfed' what to do. It's called Exploration and part of that is figuring out stuff, like how to get to the juicy modules. For instance when i hear someone crying 'howto blitz site xxx', i am sometimes a bit mad and tell them to find out by experimenting with shooting different stuff, because after all even if for most sites the triggers are widely known and easily searchable, someone had to figure that out at some point - and they were the real explorers.