Player Features and Ideas Discussion

One way or another, this really shouldn't be a skill. Just alter the jump clone timers. If it's really supposed to be a fun-enabler, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to force players to spend a week (or more) training for it. I'd go ahead and just knock four hours off the timer and allow people to swap clones within a station either with no cooldown or a very short one.

I think the one hour reduction is interesting.

Let's say I play EVE every day at the same time for 2.5 hours. If I jump clone at the end of my play session, with a 19 hour delay now I can change clones when I first start playing the next day. With 24 hours, I would be stuck in that clone.

This makes sense to me, but may not make sense for someone who plays more than 5 hours per day. While this is certainly quite a bit of time to play, it isn't impossible.

For example, in a typical 9-5 job, playing 5 hours would be from 5-10. Even if a 5 hour play period is a fringe case, a reduction by 7-8 hours (16-15 hour period) would eliminate most of the fringe cases without diluting the tradeoffs that are associated with jump cloning.

And why exactly do we need to skillgate everything?

Let’s be real here CCP, how could you not know this would go over like a wet pancake?

Your continual release of skills that just make current content less annoying doesn’t bring anything to the game.

Skills to make ECM slightly less effective, or armor slightly more agile is like teasing us. It doesn’t address actual problems and looks like you're simply throwing scraps to your players.

Want to make this skill a game changer? Change it to 4 hours per level. THAT would bring content. At max level it would knock it down to 4 hours between clone jumps. A person could roam in a throw away pvp ship for a few hours, die in a fire of pod goo and go back to skilling the rest of the day.

You would have more people not stressing about pod death, more roams, more pvp, more emersion, less people sitting in a station because they are scared to lose millions in implants.

But changing it from 24 to 19 at max level.. is like showing us you can do it… and not actually doing it, just cause. I personally think that’s worse.

The poster talking about wet pancakes is absolutely right.

This change is a good one but it should be wrapped in with the basic Infomorph Psychology skill. There is no reason it should take 2 skills for simple usability and quality-of-life fixes.

CCP Rise - thank you for this. I think it's a good first step. The link in my signature outlines quite a few more ideas around clone mechanics that I think CCP and a great number of players would be interested in.

Cool-down time is one of the items I addressed. There are quite a few more though. There's a lot that can be done with gameplay around clones, their usage and the "materials"

The point is it's better than what it's at now. Just don't train the skill if you don't like it

great idea, and something that should of been brought in years ago, but meh 1 hour, wtf the point in even training it? 4hrs per level however would be much more useful.

lvl 0 = 24hrs
lvl 1 = 20hrs
lvl 2 = 16hrs
lvl 3 = 12hrs
lvl 4 = 8hrs
lvl 5 = 4hrs

even @ lvl 5, 4hrs still wouldn't give anyone any kind of tactical advantage over their enemy's anyway.

While I really applaud taking on the jumpcloning mechanics, I am not sure if this is the right way to do it. I'm worried that reducing clone jumping to 19 hours may make it too easy for alliances to use clone jumping as a way of further increasing their power projection. This change basically allows them to one night (during their personal primetime) be in location A, and the next night during their primetime in location B - without requiring them to actually travel the distance inbetween, which may otherwise deterr them from doing so or at least provide a meaningful effort sink.

I'm also worried that this skill will go the way learning skills went. First there is a clone timer of 24 hours. Then there is a skill reducing it to 19. In a year or so everyone will be saying "but you kind of have to train it to level 4 or 5 anyway" and then it is decided to just do away with the skill and set the jump timer at 19 or 20 hours. Thus slowly eroding the jump timer and the consequences for jump cloning.

As such, I'd prefer this skill not to be included in Odyssey 1.1, and would prefer instead that the devs work towards a systemic improvement of the jumpclone system. A system where the two functions of jump clones (travel and implant switching) are separated. For example, allow only one clone jump per 24 hours if this moves the player out of the station (or system) he activated the jump from, but allow any amount of clone 'switches' within the same station.

@ Easy and Dierdra - see the link in my sig. I go into several options that could enhance clone mechanics and gameplay. I think you might find them interesting.

@ Tippia - force projection via cloning can already be done with death clones almost instantaneously (either 2 minutes to undock and self destruct pod or even less to undock and call for "pod express"). I don't think that decreasing the time between jump clones will alter that substantially.