Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The more med clone jumping the more money CCP makes - don't expect them to go up against their bottom line.

Well done CCP, I actually made a thread and asked for this maybe 3 years ago.

All you have done is regurgitate arguments that have been shot down since jump clones were first introduced. Recently there has been a resurgence in these arguments, and that's fine... it doesn't make them any more valid.

I didn't call you a noob, and I didn't tell you to quit EVE. I told you, point blank, that if you are looking for a game that lets you click a button whenever you like and instantly be where you want to be to engage in whatever you like, you have been wasting your time.

EVE will never be that game.

I'm sure that the changes to jump clones would vastly simplify many things for you and your company. That's the problem.

Planning what clone, what location, what implants, what timing... none of those fall into the category of meaningless decisions. These are crucially important decisions for many players in various occupations throughout the game. If you find yourself wasting an entire evening to accomplish an hours worth of fun, frankly, you're doing it wrong.

Jump clone and medical clone mechanics already tread a thin line between enabling meaningful decisions/game play, and undermining meaningful game play in other area's. The ability to move massive numbers of personnel in the blink of an eye is problematic enough without there being some downside involved (implants, inability to get right back to other activities elsewhere). You are ignoring the impact some of these proposals would have on the game as a whole, outside of your little corner of it.

By the way, I couldn't care less if others have told you this before (I hadn't noticed)... but if you sense a reoccurring theme in the responses you are getting, perhaps there is a good reason for it.

I haven't actually made an argument. My original post was me asking someone to show me what it is that I'm missing. There might be something, but I don't know what it is, nor am I pretending to know all there is to know.

To clarify, Red Frog and Black Frog use med clones to facilitate operations, not jump clones. Jump clones are useless for that application. Even with a 12hr timer, they would be useless for it. I'm acutely aware of what effect this would have on other areas of the game (I've long since retired from hauling). I am involved in many, many aspects of the game. My point in my original post was precisely that it wouldn't have any effect at all, because anyone can do with med clones whatever "game breaking" jump clone uses people are worrying about. And the uses of med clones are much, much more powerful than jump clone uses. Jump clones at least require that you show yourself in your target jump system at some point prior to the jump. Med clones can be used to sneak an entire fleet into a system with no warning, no need to have ever visited it before, and absolutely no downside (if you want implants, you just bring them in with the rest of the equipment). The things that can be done are mind blowing if you consider prepositioning assets (perhaps through Black Frog! ).

I'm not noticing a recurring theme in what people are telling me, I'm noticing a recurring theme in what you (and others) frequently tell people. It's a silly way to make an argument, not least because it doesn't actually resolve anything. If you've got an argument, make it. Simply declaring that the point is made and insulting people isn't much of a position. I see you can't resist the haughty, insulting tone. It's almost like you think you've made a point.

EVE isn't static. It has changed many, many times over the years. More often than not, it has changed for the better. If there are legitimate reasons for not making this change, I'd like to hear them. That's exactly what I asked for in that post. I'm not married to my position. I'm capable of having a rational conversation and changing my mind when new information is presented to me. Are you? Break it down for me. What exactly is the game breaking effect that would result from, say, a 12hr timer?

edit for your second post: it's irrelevant what effect it would have on BF. Not that it would have ANY effect; the courier business is built on laziness.

No it doesn't. Other games figured out a decade ago that all "daily" timers should reset on some interval < 24 hours. It's bad enough that you took this long to figure this simple concept out. Making players do the work to fix your own lack of clue (while simultaneously taking a path that requires MORE programming work on your end than a simple change of one integer parameter would require), is just beyond stupid.

Great job, Rise, this skill was on my Christmas list. I think you guys are right and the typical EVE play session is about 5 hours on a weeknight. I too asked Santa for 10 percent reduction per level, but I won't complain. 5 hours is not at all unreasonable from my perspective.

Many people, especially non-pvpers, do not use jump clones and therefore will not train this skill, so this change allows a player who wants the advantage to gain that advantage. All they have to sacrifice is a little time in their skill queue.

That's very Eve. Well done.

I dunno, I still think that the jump clone timer should be based on distance to the target jump clone, with further distances causing much more strain on your mental capabilities than a much shorter distance (e.g. in same station). A skill could then be used to reduce the strain, shortening the timer by a percentage.

For instance,

Same station - minimal strain, 4 hour timer
Same system - minimal strain, 6 hour timer
For each light year of distance, add 20 minutes to the timer. That would give you 54 LY travel after 24 hour cooldown, further distances would take longer to cooldown before you could jump.

The skill could then perhaps shave 5% off the cooldown timer per level

You could build in an emergency override that would give a % chance (based on distance between safe distance and destination affecting the chance) of losing skillpoints (based on distance between safe distnace and destination affecting the amount) if you force a jump too early. That would leave the options with the players.

In the same vein, I think there should be cooldown timers for med-clones...with the cooldown affecting how long before your skillpoints are safe. This would limit the death clone capability without consequences.

You should remove jump clones from the game.

I 100% endorse this skill, but like others have stated, I would buff the skill to allow 2hr reductions per skill level. If you left it as 1 hour, I could almost assure you nobody would ever train the skill to 5... just wouldn't be worth the SP investment.

I'm not sure I caught what rank you had in mind for this I would increase the rank to adjust for the greater time. I think 5x would be fair.

If you're absolutely opposed to making this skill better than 1hr increments you could introduce an Advanced Informorph Synchronizing skill that could add the additional 1hr per level? I'm not sure that would be a popular option with players (as its over twice the amount of training for what people are requesting) but maybe more will be ammenable than not to it.


Also side note: I saw a few posts regarding jump clone vats at POSs in wormholes... not sure how that fits into the lore or WHs being "off the grid" but nonetheless it would be a cool mechanic. Even if just to swap clones/implants in person as some have suggested.

I am one of the people that will benefit greatly from this skill: I spend a lot of time mining,mount I like running incursionsas a logistics or command pilot. Those activities use vastly different skills and thus implant sets (Highwall +5% yield isn't going to help me rep your ship faster). So on nights where I am mining and a friend suggests we get a group together for Incursions, I no longer have to sacrifice two nights of mining (tonight and tomorrow night) for the sake of joining friends in Incursion fleets.

With this change, you don't have to work your life around jump clone timers. You get to spend part of your gaming session tonight on one activity, jump to another activity that becomes more interesting socially, spend some time doing that other activity then jump back to this activity for the entire night tomorrow.

I suspect that five hours is more than the average play session, meaning you will be able to jump to a clone at the end of this session without knowing what clone you might prefer to use tomorrow night.