Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why ?

Is it important to limit the fun ?

Skills for flexibility need to make in session swapping viable.
This is not viable with your proposed idea
A jump every 22 hours instead of every 23 hours is more or less pointless



Base time between jumps before any sync skill should be 16 hours.
So I can do a 8 hour sess in a choosen clone each day and I'm not punished for starting 8 hours earlier at the weekend when I'm not working.

Each level of syncronisation skill should add 1 to maximum number of intermorphs I can accumulate before braindamage.
one level of intermorph is removed every 16 hours from the last jump.

e.g. at level 3 sync I can make up to 4 jumps in a burst if I want but it will take

4 x 16 hours for the intermorphs to reduce back to 0.

It's not only an issue of travel. The 24 hour timer doesn't fit because it seems to say that you should be able to jump once a day, but in practice it's often more like every other day. Just because we want it to actually be once a day does not mean we want substantially more freedom in clone jumping overall.

I agree that most people will be using it to move clones for an activity, not for travel, but we don't want that to not come with cost. It is not the goal that everyone will be able to be in the ideal implant set for any activity at any time. We are happy with the cost (risk/time loss/travel) and decision making associated with clone jumping and don't want to eliminate that with this change.

I don't think people go like "oh, I have a clone that is perfect for this thing I want to do now, but as I can't jump at this time, I will go and do it less efficiently". The jump clone timers and the attributes/training implants mechanics are terrible and don't get along at all.

Wow, a dev comment that kind of seems directed at me! A first! Thanks. Sorry for sounding annoyed, but I was grinning like an idiot when I saw that changes were coming and then disappointed by the reality.

There is obviously an expectation gap here. You've made it clear this is as far as the changes are ever likely to go, and it's equally clear that most players want to go further. Perhaps there needs to be a slightly expanded conversation where the design side makes it clear what they're trying to avoid or what it is that jump cloning is really intended for. And the players need to make clear what they use it for. I get that one jump per day is what the expectation is and that this fix is supposed to do a better job of guaranteeing that. What I don't get is why more than once a day is a bad thing.

As I mentioned before, I can jump whenever I want using a med clone. I'm limited only by office location and the location of the nearest medical facilities. In the case of sov stations, both are always present and therefore aren't a barrier. I pay for my clone upgrade and I'm done. In hisec, unless I'm decced or flagged, it's also no barrier. I can risk my pod to jump a few gates to a med facility if there isn't one in my office station. Losec is pretty much the same. NPC nosec ups the danger because of bubbles, and so isn't ideal for this usage. To tally, that's ony one real barrier in all scenarios and it only applies if my office station doesn't have med clone facilities. The only other issue is implants, but many people aren't wearing them anyway since they're going to get podded. The best part of this method of travel is that ONE alt with renter permissions can act as a "cyno" by getting to a station and opening an office. Everyone else can come in by med clone. Bonus points if that character is also an actual cyno, so he can bring in the equipment by carrier or JF. An entire fleet can avoid a long, potentially disastrous trip on the back of ONE pilot. If there is some sort of travel or power projection issue with jumping around, it would appear that this methodology is vastly more powerful and useful than pure jump cloning. BTW, did I mention that you don't actually need an office for this technique? HQ's ftw!

In the case of jump cloning for travel purposes, you give up the costs of upgrades and the annoyance of no implants for the timer and limitation of targets to jump to. It's biggest limitation is actually the requirement that you "preset" yourself to your target location in advance of any actual jump. In other words, you work backwards from your target instead of forward in the med clone scenario. The one biggest difference though, is that two ship types can serve as target points for a jump. I can see that some people would potentially have an issue with this. Instead of some "bridge back" scenario where a titan bridges podded characters from their home system back into the fight, they jump clone back and avoid the need for bridges and the costs and overhead associated with running a titan logistics chain. In the current system, they can only do this once (assuming the target titan has clone mods). But even if the timer was set to 12hrs, no fight has ever lasted that long. And since med clone jumping is an option, anything a player MIGHT do with a jump clone and a shorter timer, they can already do it with a combination of the two methods. And if the titan/rorq issue is a serious concern, nerf the clone mod, not jump clones.

This is all to say: reducing the timer is a convenience issue, not some bigger design issue, at least from my vantage point. So what am I missing here? What's the issue with lowering the timers further?

I detect a nerf jump drives complaint. I'm all for jump clones and jump drives. Too much of eve game time is spent getting ready to do the thing I'd like to do, wrapping up the results of that thing, and moving the crap to somewhere that I can turn it into something I can use. Enough with the barriers to logging in and having fun.

Part of the fun of EVE is planning, making tactical and logistical decisions, and accepting the consequences (good or bad) of those decisions. It's not about instant gratification.

If that isn't part of the fun for you, you are playing the wrong game. Making those kinds of decisions are one of the fundamental concepts of EVE, and are one of the things that separates it from games with lesser depth of play.

To put it another way, you are playing chess... not checkers. Learn to plan ahead.

If EVE players were given complete say so in game design the lifespan of EVE would be measured in days, possibly hours.

There is every point in it being a skill choice.
If you want to take advantage of this, then train for it. If you don't like the just over 1 day it'll take for level 4, then don't train for it.