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The downtime between final matches...

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Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#1 - 2013-08-04 20:27:33 UTC
...is really too long.

I get it, the teams need time to get moved back to their staging systems, get in bans, and get things like ships, implants, and pilots sorted out. However, when you get 20k+ viewers on the stream for a fight that lasts 5-10 minutes, and then expect them to hang around for 30 minutes until the next one, that's a tough sell.

You'll get the hardcore people to stick around and watch (like yours truly), but if you want to pick up the casual EVE player's attention, or get new people into the game that don't play it, you need a higher rate of ships exploding per minute. Higher DPS, if you will.

Just something to consider. Exhibition matches would be great, like you did with RvB yesterday, or pre-recorded Dev vs. Commentator matches, or even have a sneak peek at the next expansion.

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Officer Nyota Uhura
#2 - 2013-08-04 20:32:14 UTC
Where are all the CCP guests talking about Eve Online in between the matches? That was a great feature of previous Alliance Tournaments...
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-08-04 21:00:52 UTC
There's a lot of issues for teams here.

1. Pilots - you need 12+ dudes for 7 hours.
2. Ships - you need to buy and fit a bunch of ships
3. Bans - exacerbating current problems
4. People gotta eat and drink and pee and poop.
5. You gotta decide what to run too.
Kaleesa
Pathogen Inc.
#4 - 2013-08-04 21:30:04 UTC
Being a team captain I can say that it is definitely NOT too long.. I commend these teams for getting this together as they have in such a short time. It may seem from the outside to be easy, but it's a lot of work and highly stressful.
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
#5 - 2013-08-04 21:30:25 UTC
Ya exhibition matches inbetween would be a good idea, maybe with wagers or w/e to make it mildly more interesting than "two gimp teams slapping at each other".

Maybe toss in some commentary discussions on the current meta by folks who are at least mildly telegenic and not boring as #$%@. Sorry guys. Hell, you could even use Mintchip to do some of this stuff. Yeah people will utterly despise her, but at least they will tune in just to get their hate-on.

Even a news recap of recent events would work to give some variety, and introduce prospective players to the wider world of EvE.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#6 - 2013-08-04 21:36:09 UTC
As I said in my OP, I completely understand that 30 minutes is barely enough time for teams flying in the matches. To feel comfortable, I know Rote needed about 40-50 minutes to get everyone in fleet, ship distributed, fit checked, make sure it was repaired, etc. etc. etc. So, 20-25 minutes is a blistering pace for teams fighting now, not counting things like bans and setup deliberation.

I'm merely mentioning that for the average viewer watching the matches, the gap is too long, and needs filler to keep them watching. Case in point, I was going to watch this over at a friend's house today, but I'm glad I didn't... 10 minutes of combat, then 30 minutes of downtime would be a tough sell to him.

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Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-08-04 21:40:55 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
As I said in my OP, I completely understand that 30 minutes is barely enough time for teams flying in the matches. To feel comfortable, I know Rote needed about 40-50 minutes to get everyone in fleet, ship distributed, fit checked, make sure it was repaired, etc. etc. etc. So, 20-25 minutes is a blistering pace for teams fighting now, not counting things like bans and setup deliberation.

I'm merely mentioning that for the average viewer watching the matches, the gap is too long, and needs filler to keep them watching. Case in point, I was going to watch this over at a friend's house today, but I'm glad I didn't... 10 minutes of combat, then 30 minutes of downtime would be a tough sell to him.


There is a lot of panel stuff, they could have fixed this by having someone as entertaining as myself as commentator. ;)

But between the downtime there has been some great matches. So I guess it's a toss up. This weekend has had the best matches of the tournament by far.
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#8 - 2013-08-05 03:00:29 UTC
If the tourney was a format where 2 teams fought for 3rd place (and there were prizes for 3rd), that would be great to have in between the finals.

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DrWilsonPhD
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-08-05 03:12:25 UTC
I think having more exhibition matches in the downtime might have been a nice touch. The RvB exhibition match from Saturday was pretty entertaining.
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#10 - 2013-08-05 03:19:53 UTC
The gap is absolutely necessary tbh. As it was we were only just getting everything together and ready in time before the next match

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Lucas Quaan
Dark Enlightenment
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#11 - 2013-08-05 11:07:03 UTC
Two step wrote:
If the tourney was a format where 2 teams fought for 3rd place (and there were prizes for 3rd), that would be great to have in between the finals.

Agreed. Match for third place would help, even if it's just best of three.
Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#12 - 2013-08-05 11:27:54 UTC
DrWilsonPhD wrote:
I think having more exhibition matches in the downtime might have been a nice touch. The RvB exhibition match from Saturday was pretty entertaining.



Having flown in it and then rewatched it, it was great.

Would love to have seen more exhibition matches along those lines.
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#13 - 2013-08-05 11:44:01 UTC
I like the idea of having some in-between action of some kind, whether exhibition matches, 3rd place match or something entirely else.

But:
Sakura Nihil wrote:
I get it, the teams need time to get moved back to their staging systems, get in bans, and get things like ships, implants, and pilots sorted out. However, when you get 20k+ viewers on the stream for a fight that lasts 5-10 minutes, and then expect them to hang around for 30 minutes until the next one, that's a tough sell.
In fact, if I remember correctly, the viewer count grew from match to match, so apparently it built up exitement and gave people that only now heard about it time to check in.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#14 - 2013-08-05 15:05:06 UTC
More exhibition matches would be good.

Do a crowd participation match or two.

Give CCP Rise and CCP Dolan ship scanners in Jita and let them pick teams from a prearranged location in system and all the people that will end up there.

The selection process and the match(s) would be great time fillers between finals matches.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#15 - 2013-08-05 16:31:35 UTC
I agree with OP.

The content in between fights was pretty dissapointing. There was too much talk about the metagaming which I think most people would find uninteresting in the long run.

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Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#16 - 2013-08-06 00:00:24 UTC
One interesting thought to end on - what if CCP reached out to the better or more entertaining teams that got knocked out on Day 4 or 5, and asked if they wanted to fight an exhibition match?

I'm not sure about having a designated 3rd place match, though... by that point in time, those teams are financially and mentally exhausted. Especially when, at least to this point, there haven't been prizes for 3rd place.

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