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Why aren't warp drives used as weapons?

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McBustacrunk
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-03 17:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: McBustacrunk
After playing for a few months, I've become somewhat familiar with EVE's lore and science, but I don't think I've yet found an explanation for the limited use of warp drives.

As far as I understand, warp drives allow FTL travel by creating a series of vacuums in front of the ship, etc., reaching speeds that are measured in Astronomical Units per second. 1 AU per second would be about 500 times faster than the speed of light. Also, objects operating under a warp drive don't become ephemeral, because ships flying with MWDs active can still physically interact with other ships. So if all these assumptions are true, then why aren't warp drives ever utilized as kinetic weapons?

For instance, in the Empyrean Age trailer, some guy crashes a Nyx into a station at subwarp speeds, but the station survives relatively intact. If the guy in the Nyx had simply kept his warp drive on for an infinitesimal fraction of a second longer, then the station would have been literally and completely obliterated. Hell, someone could just strap a warp drive onto a missile and destroy any ship that has a large gravity field in one hit. I mean, even a frigate is capable of destroying a planet if it was travelling at a fraction of the speed of light. Warp drive missiles would pretty much obsolete every rule of conventional warfare in EVE, expanding maximum ranges from kilometers to solar systems.

Even if there's something like an EVE Geneva Convention to prevent the weaponization of warp drives, there are factions such as the rogue drones and Sansha's Nation that would hardly bother with the ethics WMDs.

TL;DR - Why can't ships warp into planets, stations, or other ships?
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-08-03 17:23:34 UTC
Because it's a game.



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Jassmin Joy
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#3 - 2013-08-03 17:25:49 UTC
Because this is a game, And in the interest of the game staying alive there are boundys and lines.
McBustacrunk
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-03 17:31:38 UTC
CCP spends so much effort on immersion and verisimilitude that you'd think they would try to explain it at some point Straight
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-08-03 17:32:18 UTC
Because while the warp drive is active their mass is dropped to near absolute zero. If they maintained the same mass they would be unable to accelerate to those speeds. Attempting to exit warp at those speeds would result in the ship shredding itself as its atoms revert back to normal mass. The larger the ship, the greater the effect, so a Nyx might go so far as to tear a part atom by atom, creating a beautiful corona as those atoms dissipate their energy and static charge on the station's shields but doing no actual damage. A smaller ship might shred in a manner that creates larger pieces, effectively sand blasting the target, but that would likely not be enough to damage the structure.
Na Und
Galactronics
#6 - 2013-08-03 17:37:23 UTC
Velator takes-down Bhaalgorn. Film at 11.
Therese Amsel
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-08-03 17:37:44 UTC
That's not how warp drives work, nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.
Darth Peaches
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-08-03 17:39:25 UTC
Because the flux capacitors are cannot stay properly aligned to the power relays in order to transfer the energy of the warp to the opposing ship. However, if you could somehow pull it off, the energy of the warp would simply corrupt the enemy ship rather than destroy it, thus creating a chaos ship which of course would require us sending in a squad of the Emperor's finest in order to cleanse if of its heresies against the God Emperor.
McBustacrunk
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-08-03 17:39:35 UTC
Okay, I'm actually pretty satisfied by that answer. Thanks for preserving my suspension of disbelief :D
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#10 - 2013-08-03 17:39:48 UTC
Xavier Higdon wrote:
The larger the ship, the greater the effect, so a Nyx might go so far as to tear a part atom by atom, creating a beautiful corona as those atoms dissipate their energy and static charge on the station's shields but doing no actual damage.


Not sure you realise how much energy something that heavy would have at relativistic speeds. It would destroy the station, the moon it was orbiting, and kill off all life on the planet behind that.

http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
McBustacrunk
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-08-03 17:45:49 UTC
damnit.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-08-03 17:47:12 UTC
Therese Amsel wrote:
That's not how warp drives work, nothing we know of yet can travel faster than the speed of light.



fixed
Therese Amsel
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-08-03 17:51:55 UTC
I doubt it.
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
#14 - 2013-08-03 18:01:09 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
The larger the ship, the greater the effect, so a Nyx might go so far as to tear a part atom by atom, creating a beautiful corona as those atoms dissipate their energy and static charge on the station's shields but doing no actual damage.


Not sure you realise how much energy something that heavy would have at relativistic speeds. It would destroy the station, the moon it was orbiting, and kill off all life on the planet behind that.

http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/


That link is hilarious.

Hit by Pitch, lol.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2013-08-03 18:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Warp drives make things phase through matter. Just look at what happens when you warp through a planet.

Even if microwarp drives work by having you warp for microseconds at a time, you're not actually going at those immense speeds.



And all the what ifs are good :) take a 'simple' question, and turn it up to 11. (I'll build you an Amp that goes to 12 for 20,000 quid, btw)

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MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-03 18:20:52 UTC
This isn't star trek
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-08-03 18:24:54 UTC
Alaekessa wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
The larger the ship, the greater the effect, so a Nyx might go so far as to tear a part atom by atom, creating a beautiful corona as those atoms dissipate their energy and static charge on the station's shields but doing no actual damage.


Not sure you realise how much energy something that heavy would have at relativistic speeds. It would destroy the station, the moon it was orbiting, and kill off all life on the planet behind that.

http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/


That link is hilarious.

Hit by Pitch, lol.

Same argument as a punch by Superman. I saw it on YouTube, I think.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2013-08-03 18:55:19 UTC
If I recall correctly... in EVE warp drives, jump drives, and stargate jumps effectively create mini-wormholes that "remove" us from normal space until we exit at a calculated endpoint (we are, in effect, "tunneling" through space).

Microwarpdrives could be doing something similar but not completely... somewhat "removing"/"lessening" us from space so our normal thrusters are far more efficient, but at the same time increasing our energy "footprint." The mass increase from using a MWD could be explained with some technobabble about how MWDs power output increases our density.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-08-03 18:58:11 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Warp drives make things phase through matter. Just look at what happens when you warp through a planet.

Even if microwarp drives work by having you warp for microseconds at a time, you're not actually going at those immense speeds.



And all the what ifs are good :) take a 'simple' question, and turn it up to 11. (I'll build you an Amp that goes to 12 for 20,000 quid, btw)

more exactly:

warp (in EVE) functions as a "trans-dimensional" way of travelling. you create a matter-less space on which the ship is the centre, and you move said bubble thru space unfettered. this is why you go thru planets, stations, stars and you don't transform into a pancake in the process.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-03 19:06:59 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Xavier Higdon wrote:
The larger the ship, the greater the effect, so a Nyx might go so far as to tear a part atom by atom, creating a beautiful corona as those atoms dissipate their energy and static charge on the station's shields but doing no actual damage.


Not sure you realise how much energy something that heavy would have at relativistic speeds. It would destroy the station, the moon it was orbiting, and kill off all life on the planet behind that.

http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/


Except in the vacuum of space there's no atmosphere to cause that shockwave, and since the ship's mass would be near absolute zero its weight would be negligible. Reverting the ship out of warp while still travelling at that speed would cause it to instantly shred, as it would suddenly weigh an enormous amount, and as we know an object's mass increases as it accelerates. So the ship would suddenly be infinitely heavy, collapsing in on itself and causing a mini-nova. This mini-nova, being caused by such a tiny amount of matter, would instantly vaporize any unshielded objects nearby but would be tiny in comparison to a star going super nova. Ships in EvE, however, have enough shielding to safely "bounce" of the surface of a star, so they should be able to survive so long as their shields weren't damaged, and as stations are much larger their shields have more surface area on which to dissipate the energy. The biggest danger would be to small ships like fighters, bombers and shuttles. These ships might be "hit" by the mini-nova, flinging them outward and potentially tearing them apart.
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