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CCP Rozzie balancing strategy
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Luc Chastot
#1 - 2013-08-03 15:08:27 UTC
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Vince Snetterton
#2 - 2013-08-03 15:13:30 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.



You note the different approaches to "balancing"

Rise, who is newer, posts changes re: HAC's, player base goes insane, and Rise comes back with a complete rethink, while still not perfect, at least makes more sense.

fozze, on the other hand, completely ignored a hundred pages of people complaining about the NPC changes killing drone boats an crushing PvE income, and then posts the changes to command ships and links using words like "we WILL be making these changes...".
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#3 - 2013-08-03 15:43:11 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.



You note the different approaches to "balancing"

Rise, who is newer, posts changes re: HAC's, player base goes insane, and Rise comes back with a complete rethink, while still not perfect, at least makes more sense.

fozze, on the other hand, completely ignored a hundred pages of people complaining about the NPC changes killing drone boats an crushing PvE income, and then posts the changes to command ships and links using words like "we WILL be making these changes...".


Because he has access to the actual PvE income and feedback of the THOUSANDS of players who say it is negligible. So he confirmed that it doesn't need addressed and worked on something else.

Reminds me of the absolute rage in GW1 when they made it so AI refused to stand in AOE if not snared. I LOL'd at that too.


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#4 - 2013-08-03 15:45:15 UTC
PvE rage Roll

Oh god.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2013-08-03 15:50:42 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
I'm glad they are not listening to people who want horribly unbalanced ships. Second round changes look good.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#6 - 2013-08-03 16:37:08 UTC
What did they do with the industrialssssss

Nice bays.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union
#7 - 2013-08-03 16:44:16 UTC
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.


Shouldn't you be happy that the Dev's sometimes listen to the playerbase?
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-08-03 16:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Donbe Scurred
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.


Looks good to me what exactly are you complaining about? The fact that they present their ideas, take feedback and tweak the changes after considering the feedback.

Can you think of a better way? If so present it or STFU.
Etteluor
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-08-03 16:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Etteluor
Vince Snetterton wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.



You note the different approaches to "balancing"

Rise, who is newer, posts changes re: HAC's, player base goes insane, and Rise comes back with a complete rethink, while still not perfect, at least makes more sense.

fozze, on the other hand, completely ignored a hundred pages of people complaining about the NPC changes killing drone boats an crushing PvE income, and then posts the changes to command ships and links using words like "we WILL be making these changes...".


I think the main difference is that fozzie knew that the only people complaining about the drone aggro changes were completely awful carebears. Anyone who was half decent at the game realized it makes 0 difference to any ship.

I also like your attitude OP, if the devs dont listen, "waaaah ccp doesn't care! they never listen!". If the devs DO listen, "waaah i'm doing their work for them, why are they even here!" there's no way they can win.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-08-03 18:28:10 UTC
hellcane
Never Back Down
#11 - 2013-08-03 18:32:11 UTC
Marauders in winter, according to rise in the tourney stream a week ago.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-08-03 18:45:51 UTC
hellcane wrote:
Marauders in winter, according to rise in the tourney stream a week ago.


Looking forwards to what they do to the kronos.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-03 18:52:13 UTC
I like the boosting changes. It means I don't have to dink around in a POS every time we go out.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#14 - 2013-08-03 19:37:59 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.


Looks good to me what exactly are you complaining about? The fact that they present their ideas, take feedback and tweak the changes after considering the feedback.

Can you think of a better way? If so present it or STFU.


Like whenever they took our feedback on the Domi and now its OP as ****? Oh wait, they didn't. Great job.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
DSpite Culhach
#15 - 2013-08-03 19:41:18 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
hellcane wrote:
Marauders in winter, according to rise in the tourney stream a week ago.


Looking forwards to what they do to the kronos.


As I'm playing Eve to really give different hulls a good old game testing, I do hope they do something unique. The damn things have an insane skill queue and I live on the ground floor, so suicide by launching myself out of the window might take a LONG time.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#16 - 2013-08-03 19:43:46 UTC
Nerf T3.

The Tears Must Flow
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-03 23:06:51 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.


Looks good to me what exactly are you complaining about? The fact that they present their ideas, take feedback and tweak the changes after considering the feedback.

Can you think of a better way? If so present it or STFU.


Like whenever they took our feedback on the Domi and now its OP as ****? Oh wait, they didn't. Great job.


I don't disagree with your statement about the Domi, I am exploiting this oversight ATM.

But if you are going to call out something as bad, you should present your better solution or just deal with it. Otherwise its just whining.

Nothing is ever going to be perfect especially when you are trying to balance things that are so different.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-08-03 23:11:15 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Like whenever they took our feedback on the Domi and now its OP as ****? Oh wait, they didn't. Great job.


Yeah, umm, no, it's still a big slow space potato and sentries still can't do very much VS smaller ships at close range. Try using a web and focus on those drones. It'll die same as any other drone boat if you're clever.

Dodixie > Hek
John DaiSho
One Risky Click
Snuffed Out
#19 - 2013-08-03 23:25:53 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Luc Chastot wrote:
Lately I've been getting this feeling they just come up with anything, post it and let the playerbase rage and come up with the proper balance changes.

If you haven't read the changes coming with Odyssey 1.1, go check F&I and give your feedback.


Looks good to me what exactly are you complaining about? The fact that they present their ideas, take feedback and tweak the changes after considering the feedback.

Can you think of a better way? If so present it or STFU.


Like whenever they took our feedback on the Domi and now its OP as ****? Oh wait, they didn't. Great job.


Balancing should totally be done on alliance tournament results, I agree.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#20 - 2013-08-03 23:27:08 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:


fozze, on the other hand, completely ignored a hundred pages of people complaining about the NPC changes killing drone boats an crushing PvE income, and then posts the changes to command ships and links using words like "we WILL be making these changes...".


Fozze (if that's a name) is PL, and everyone knows that PL are arrogant bastards.

Both of them new guys are probably mainly confused by having a boss who scream stuff about cheese and bacon in some foreign language while they try to work.

I have to admit that I like that CCP is hiring people who has shown that they know what they're doing.

Edit:
And that employee is CCP Falcon of course.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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