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Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-08-02 22:24:07 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
Zappity wrote:
No, it's not griefing. Just go to another belt or system and if they keep following you around THEN it might be griefing. But you know this anyway.


how can you warp when being bumped?


So what's your solution? Suspect for bumping? I would greatly enjoy your next visit to Jita.


if you read first orniginal post you would have a general idea/
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-08-02 22:25:43 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.


If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.



Probably bumping miners themselves. You guys don't half provide a lot of tears.

And as I said before, have you tried shooting them? Or going somewhere else? Or not mining?


Ok gonna go shoot at them in as a new character and first time Eve player.. brilliant idea, lets go shoot at someone and be totally out gunned out classed and out skilled. you're intelligent.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2013-08-02 22:27:43 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.


If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.



Probably bumping miners themselves. You guys don't half provide a lot of tears.

And as I said before, have you tried shooting them? Or going somewhere else? Or not mining?


Ok gonna go shoot at them in as a new character and first time Eve player.. brilliant idea, lets go shoot at someone and be totally out gunned out classed and out skilled. you're intelligent.



Okay, so make some friends and shoot them as a group. Better?

or, go somewhere else.

or, don't mine.
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-08-02 22:29:11 UTC
TROLL LOLLOLLOLLOOL
IM UST GONA PAY CCP AAAAAND SOME STRANGER THATS NOT CONNCECTED TO CCP
TO PLAY CCP'S GAME
Soelent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-08-02 22:29:58 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.


If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.



Probably bumping miners themselves. You guys don't half provide a lot of tears.

And as I said before, have you tried shooting them? Or going somewhere else? Or not mining?


I have an issue here.. and will clarify: Ganking is a part of the game.. if you can be ganked, you can also tank your ship to attempt to avoid being ganked (before concord come along) and this removes some of the yeild of the mining operation, but to me 2-3 ice per 30 minutes is a small price to pay for not losing an Xmillion isk ship...

the consequence to being ganked, or having someone attempt to gank you is for concord to come in and destroy the ship (they lose a ship, they lose standing, they cant leave a station for 15 minutes or get raped by concord again.. etc)


however, with regards to bumping, it is JUST as damaging "financially" as ganking, however there is NO CONSEQUENCE to bumping.. (ie you can bump all day with no action from concord and/or no action that you can take to forcefully stop it), if you get bumped you cant fight back against the hostile action because you will be concorded, you cant wardec most of them because most (and i use the term most because i appreciate its not all) of them will simply drop and recreate the corp to avoid the wardec - so there is no point parking that navy raven or tengu off the icebelt because you cant physically do anythign with it without losing a huge amount of isk (in the form of the ship)...

ok, let me throw in a suggestion here..

Suspect for repeated 2-3 bumping within a set time frame.. could work - install safeguards.. no suspect for fleet, corp or within say 100km of a station (safezone)..
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#26 - 2013-08-02 22:34:56 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
Zappity wrote:
No, it's not griefing. Just go to another belt or system and if they keep following you around THEN it might be griefing. But you know this anyway.


how can you warp when being bumped?


So what's your solution? Suspect for bumping? I would greatly enjoy your next visit to Jita.


if you read first orniginal post you would have a general idea/


Well that's a fair response since I didn't actually read it, having read a thousand similar threads in the last few months.

So I went back, read the OP and was hardly shocked by the absence of any proposed solution. The closest you got was, "a legitimate undesirable consequence from bumping". Um, like what?

So I ask again, what is your proposed solution?

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-08-02 22:37:30 UTC
the solution is for the PLAYERS of Eve to figure out. simply bringing the issue to awareness is my sole purpose atm.

petitioning CCP for an agreed mechanic is something we will all have to take part of for we the players are Eve.
uyguhb
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2013-08-02 22:40:55 UTC
highsec IS the cancer. so im glad you hate the time you spend in it. :P

stop being so selfish join a null alliance, pull your weight and get the protection of pvpers.

freedom is not free. you want it? then fight for it.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-08-02 22:46:57 UTC
Soelent wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.


If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.



Probably bumping miners themselves. You guys don't half provide a lot of tears.

And as I said before, have you tried shooting them? Or going somewhere else? Or not mining?


I have an issue here.. and will clarify: Ganking is a part of the game.. if you can be ganked, you can also tank your ship to attempt to avoid being ganked (before concord come along) and this removes some of the yeild of the mining operation, but to me 2-3 ice per 30 minutes is a small price to pay for not losing an Xmillion isk ship...

the consequence to being ganked, or having someone attempt to gank you is for concord to come in and destroy the ship (they lose a ship, they lose standing, they cant leave a station for 15 minutes or get raped by concord again.. etc)


however, with regards to bumping, it is JUST as damaging "financially" as ganking, however there is NO CONSEQUENCE to bumping.. (ie you can bump all day with no action from concord and/or no action that you can take to forcefully stop it), if you get bumped you cant fight back against the hostile action because you will be concorded, you cant wardec most of them because most (and i use the term most because i appreciate its not all) of them will simply drop and recreate the corp to avoid the wardec - so there is no point parking that navy raven or tengu off the icebelt because you cant physically do anythign with it without losing a huge amount of isk (in the form of the ship)...

ok, let me throw in a suggestion here..

Suspect for repeated 2-3 bumping within a set time frame.. could work - install safeguards.. no suspect for fleet, corp or within say 100km of a station (safezone)..



And when I park my Talos in front of someone's moving mining or mission ship, get bumped a few times by them and kill them to death the second they turn suspect, you'll come straight back here to cry about how your anti-bumping gimmick is being abused.

Can you not just orbit? Or GO SOMEWHERE ELSE?
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-08-02 22:47:36 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
i want to pay my toll the subscription cost to play this game and NOT pay another player to play the game i already legally paid for.


Snow Fauls wrote:
If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.


Snow Fauls wrote:
Ok gonna go shoot at them in as a new character and first time Eve player.. brilliant idea, lets go shoot at someone and be totally out gunned out classed and out skilled. you're intelligent.


Snow Fauls wrote:
TROLL LOLLOLLOLLOOL
IM UST GONA PAY CCP AAAAAND SOME STRANGER THATS NOT CONNCECTED TO CCP
TO PLAY CCP'S GAME


Snow Fauls wrote:
the solution is for the PLAYERS of Eve to figure out. simply bringing the issue to awareness is my sole purpose atm.

petitioning CCP for an agreed mechanic is something we will all have to take part of for we the players are Eve.


This is your problem. Their goal is to harvest tears. They're currently mining you because you give them a constant supply. You're like a veltsbar asteroid that never pops.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#31 - 2013-08-02 22:47:45 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
the solution is for the PLAYERS of Eve to figure out. simply bringing the issue to awareness is my sole purpose atm.

petitioning CCP for an agreed mechanic is something we will all have to take part of for we the players are Eve.


Oh. Well done for a mission accomplished. People are now aware of miner bumping.

I think you should focus your effort on a practical solution ratherthan ewaiting for other people to do so.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-08-02 22:50:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Fauls
uyguhb wrote:
highsec IS the cancer. so im glad you hate the time you spend in it. :P

stop being so selfish join a null alliance, pull your weight and get the protection of pvpers.

freedom is not free. you want it? then fight for it.



thats fine and dandy if i wanted that kind of gaming experience, but unfortunately that gaming experience is in almost all MMOs.
the solution should NOT have to be moving to null with just barely 1mil SP and no assets get into some big fancy corp like GOONs or TEST alliance, and then learn from there and never get to enjoy Eve for what you are paying for because when in GOON or Test your just a grunt, a KM and a solider. you are there to follow orders and do what they want.
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-08-02 22:53:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Fauls
Ersahi Kir

Veldspar
I havent been mining, im a new character. how do i know of such things? just been reading and researching

WoW is boring, Runescape is old and repetitive. other space MMOs dont stack up or hold the desire of a great gaming experience like Eve dose
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-08-02 23:01:50 UTC
Ersahi Kir

what can a 100k sp character do in null other than being a KM for other enemy factions or corps?
just make like corps and float around in space frozen being utterly useless?

so Spacemonekys?
what do you players do with new recruits that are also new character that know how to play but just dont have the SP to play?

but this topic isnt about that this is about the fact that we can can flip and have suspect we can gank and get concorded and have all these other consequences but not for bumping someone out of a belt unless we pay these players for a game we have already paid for.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-08-02 23:02:13 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
Ersahi Kir

Veldspar
I havent been mining, im a new character. how do i know of such things? just been reading and researching

WoW is boring, Runescape is old and repetitive. other space MMOs dont stack up or hold the desire of a great gaming experience like Eve dose



Go join eve university or something, one of the groups that will teach you how to play the game. Mining is...easily the worst thing to do, especially as a newbie.
Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-08-02 23:08:36 UTC
You cannot shoot the bumpers, you cannot stop the gankers before the destroy their target, you cannot shoot the spotters,, you cannot wardec the new order. All you can do is tank to make it uneconomical to gank, move to other systems or leave Eve when they show up in force, or shoot the new order looting ships.

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-08-02 23:10:19 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
You cannot shoot the bumpers, you cannot stop the gankers before the destroy their target, you cannot shoot the spotters,, you cannot wardec the new order. All you can do is tank to make it uneconomical to gank, move to other systems or leave Eve when they show up in force, or shoot the new order looting ships.



thats the issue.

were just helpless and have to move everything.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-08-02 23:11:13 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
You cannot shoot the bumpers, you cannot stop the gankers before the destroy their target, you cannot shoot the spotters,, you cannot wardec the new order. All you can do is tank to make it uneconomical to gank, move to other systems or leave Eve when they show up in force, or shoot the new order looting ships.



thats the issue.

were just helpless and have to move everything.



Do something else then.
uyguhb
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-08-02 23:14:55 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
uyguhb wrote:
highsec IS the cancer. so im glad you hate the time you spend in it. :P

stop being so selfish join a null alliance, pull your weight and get the protection of pvpers.

freedom is not free. you want it? then fight for it.



thats fine and dandy if i wanted that kind of gaming experience, but unfortunately that gaming experience is in almost all MMOs.
the solution should NOT have to be moving to null with just barely 1mil SP and no assets get into some big fancy corp like GOONs or TEST alliance, and then learn from there and never get to enjoy Eve for what you are paying for because when in GOON or Test your just a grunt, a KM and a solider. you are there to follow orders and do what they want.



again freedom is not free. if you want it then fight for it. or expect to get pushed around.

this is a sandbox you have the option of safely building a castle in highsec. and other players have the option of knocking it down.

I am almost positive highsec has these things called wardecs.. hire a merc or pay alliances the isk that keeps bad people from bumping you all day.

The game gives you the tools to fix your own problem. not ccp's fault you are unwilling to use them.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#40 - 2013-08-02 23:17:53 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:


The appropriate TL; DR; (Provided by Ersahi Kir)

"I pay money to play this game, and these guys disturb me."


While I don't particularly agree with the New Order nor their Playstyle, I see their activities as 100% legitimate.

There are certain areas of the game that are simply twisted and unbalanced. For example, you can operate in a nullsec system in a complete 100% risk free manner. This is because local lets you know with 100% certainty whether or not there is a hostile in system. The creative solution people have come up with is to leave cloaked AFK ships in system all day, every day, thereby eliminating the "risk free" environment brought about by the omniscient local chat feature.

Likewise, in highsec, there exists a large class of players that make themselves immune to being bossed about. They join NPC corporations that don't tax their income streams, so the only true hassle they faced was "suicide gankers". When CCP balanced exhumers (which was a good thing IMO), it made this risk-adverse class of citizens even more difficult to impose upon. The new order has found a loophole in game mechanics that allow them to extort and control the activities of others. In a game of intense competition (and this is a very competitive game whether you are play casually or not), their alternative methods of influencing players are ingenious and should be encouraged. Now, once CCP addresses un-wardeccable players, I'll support some limitations on bumping, but not bloody-well until then!!!