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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#221 - 2013-08-21 22:39:12 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
"The corporation founded by Mathias Sobaseki is now Gallentean."


A note...Kaalakiota was around long before the Secession. While I would hardly impugn the honor of Matias Sobaseki by denying his stature as one of the fathers of the Caldari State, he did not found Kaalakiota. My apologies for the pedantry, some things I cannot overlook.

As far as Heth's mediocrity...if Kim would like to point out the fact that he was a CEO as evidence of his greatness, but the same definition so must have been all those that he displaced during his regime, including Oiritsuu-haani. One should be judged by one's performance, not one's position.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#222 - 2013-08-21 23:41:15 UTC
I stand corrected.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#223 - 2013-08-22 02:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: iyammarrok
In five years, A certain incompetent leader managed to almost bankrupt the most lucrative megacorporation in the State.
He then called for every megacorporation to fall under his direct control.

This was a transparent attempt to gather the wealth of the state under one single individual.

Kim claims that money and wealth are different, and that Heth did not squander the wealth of KK, just it's money.
Let us look at the facts however.
If we are to differentiate money from wealth, then wealth is assets. while money, on a megacorporate or capsuleer level, is ISK.
To maintain it's mandated loan repayments, KK was forced to sell vast amounts of it's assets.
Therefore, KK's wealth AND money were squandered by Heth, in order to fund the now disbanded CPD.
These are undeniable facts.

Let us see how long it takes for Kim to deny them.
One hour? three at the outside.

- Tertianus Rethelior (Rok)

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#224 - 2013-08-22 02:52:42 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
In five years, A certain incompetent leader managed to almost bankrupt the most lucrative megacorporation in the State.


KK was not necessarily the most lucrative corporation in the State. That would probably be Sukuuvestaa.

Nor, as some seem to think, is the Caldari State close to bankruptcy, nor was it. KK, yes, is in distress, but there is a difference between negative cash flow and bankruptcy. KK has far more assets than liabilities, even if it has had to sell some to put things to rights. But even if KK failed, this does not make the State bankrupt. KK is one of many, many corporations in the State, and while one of the largest, certainly not so large as to dwarf all others. Even in their own political bloc, Lai Dai is a major competitor.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#225 - 2013-08-22 03:55:48 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:

A note...Kaalakiota was around long before the Secession. While I would hardly impugn the honor of Matias Sobaseki by denying his stature as one of the fathers of the Caldari State, he did not found Kaalakiota. My apologies for the pedantry, some things I cannot overlook.


While certainly true, I would be hard pressed to deny that many within Kaalakiota hold Mathias Sobaseki in the same esteem as its original founders, or in some respects even as the founder of Kaalakiota at least in its modern incarnation as part of the State. I'm sure it's understandable that great men such as Sobaseki-haan at times forge legends and myths around themselves in the hearts of their citizens that may are may not be based in historical truth. That is just the nature of having to live with particularly revered ancestors whose lives and example many aspire to reach.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#226 - 2013-08-22 08:52:08 UTC
Well, he did get a star system named after him. That's a rare honour.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#227 - 2013-08-22 18:28:22 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
While certainly true, I would be hard pressed to deny that many within Kaalakiota hold Mathias Sobaseki in the same esteem as its original founders, or in some respects even as the founder of Kaalakiota at least in its modern incarnation as part of the State. I'm sure it's understandable that great men such as Sobaseki-haan at times forge legends and myths around themselves in the hearts of their citizens that may are may not be based in historical truth. That is just the nature of having to live with particularly revered ancestors whose lives and example many aspire to reach.


As I said, I would not begrudge Sobaseki the respect to which he is due, simply clearing up a matter of fact. His true accomplishments are more than enough to merit his reverence in our society, there is no need to exaggerate them to the absurd.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#228 - 2013-08-22 20:37:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:


As I said, I would not begrudge Sobaseki the respect to which he is due, simply clearing up a matter of fact. His true accomplishments are more than enough to merit his reverence in our society, there is no need to exaggerate them to the absurd.


What I am pointing out is that perception can often differ from reality and since the cultural milieu of Kaalakiota will always differ from that of others such as Ishukone our perceptions will differ. When it is said within Kaalakiota that Comrade-citizen Mathias Sobaseki founded Kaalakiota it carries with it different implications and perceptions than say one outside who does not serve Kaalakiota -- our respect and reverence differs, for Sobaseki-haan is an ancestor of Kaalakiota. Whilst it may be known that Kaalakiota existed centuries prior to Sobaseki-haan due to the simple fact our families served Kaalakiota prior to his rule, his legacy is such that to point that out in public might at times feel a display of disrespect to his memory.

So whilst it might be seen by some who are not Kaalakiota, that Tuulinen-haan has committed a historical faux pas, I see it only as an honest mistake made by a man who has only begun his service to Kaalakiota and become part of its history, traditions, and culture.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#229 - 2013-08-23 01:32:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
While certainly true, I would be hard pressed to deny that many within Kaalakiota hold Mathias Sobaseki in the same esteem as its original founders, or in some respects even as the founder of Kaalakiota at least in its modern incarnation as part of the State. I'm sure it's understandable that great men such as Sobaseki-haan at times forge legends and myths around themselves in the hearts of their citizens that may are may not be based in historical truth. That is just the nature of having to live with particularly revered ancestors whose lives and example many aspire to reach.


As I said, I would not begrudge Sobaseki the respect to which he is due, simply clearing up a matter of fact. His true accomplishments are more than enough to merit his reverence in our society, there is no need to exaggerate them to the absurd.


Well, now - steady on there. I admitted I made a mistake, there's no need to take the matter further than it needs to go. Pardon me if my Suvee creche education was a little light on the history of Kaalakiota and heavy on the things I'd actually need for my day to day job.

If it's any consolation I have signed up for one of the Corporate history courses with Human Resources so that I won't make this sort of mistake again.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2013-08-24 01:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Long story short, people - Diana Kim just accused one of the most distinctively Caldari organisations in the cluster, which once paid host to Mathias Sobaseki, one of the most distinctively Caldari men in the cluster, of being "Gallentean," because it did things she disagreed with.

Time to go home. The Intergalactic Summit is over.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#231 - 2013-08-24 02:07:04 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Long story short, people - Diana Kim just accused one of the most distinctively Caldari organisations in the cluster, which once paid host to Mathias Sobaseki, one of the most distinctively Caldari men in the cluster, of being "Gallentean," because it did things she disagreed with.

Time to go home. The Intergalactic Summit is over.


Circular logic can often lead to conclusions that aren't.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#232 - 2013-08-24 15:44:08 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Long story short, people - Diana Kim just accused one of the most distinctively Caldari organisations in the cluster, which once paid host to Mathias Sobaseki, one of the most distinctively Caldari men in the cluster, of being "Gallentean," because it did things she disagreed with.

Time to go home. The Intergalactic Summit is over.

Long story short, Ixiris again making idiotic assumptions in The Intergalactic Summit.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2013-08-24 18:13:56 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Long story short, Ixiris again making idiotic assumptions in The Intergalactic Summit.

Long story short, Kim making summary dismissals without actually refuting anything or defending her position.

Again.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-08-24 18:39:15 UTC
I think I told you several times already, I could refute serious claims, but I am not going to refute every sick fantasy of an imbecile, I have better things to do.
Are you really that tough that you can't understand it yet?...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-08-24 18:45:17 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I think I told you several times already, I could refute serious claims, but I am not going to refute every sick fantasy of an imbecile, I have better things to do.
Are you really that tough that you can't understand it yet?...

I am pretty tough.

The simple fact is you dismiss anything and everything that's inconvenient for you to respond to as "not worth answering," which, congruent to pretty much everything else about you, is indicative of deep cowardice and disingenuity. Whenever anyone challenges one of your asinine arguments, you accuse them of being either "Gallentean," a Gallentean "sympathiser" or just calling them an idiot. You refuse to defend any of your ludicrous assertions despite the fact that they are quite often self-evidently at odds with objective reality. You suffer from a pathological inability to actually put evidence behind assertion, and when called on it, you retreat into insults and denial.

Consequently, it does you no service that your opinion on almost every matter you deign to speak about is wrong, and before you ask, I can, in fact, demonstrate the invalidity of almost any argument you make.

Without serious effort.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#236 - 2013-08-24 19:03:36 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

The simple fact is you dismiss anything and everything that's inconvenient for you to respond to as "not worth answering,"

Everything is worth answering.
But not everyone worth it.
When opponent points me that I didn't answer a certain question, I will apologize and answer.
When a moron will point me I didn't answer to him, I will show him not very nice sign.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
which, congruent to pretty much everything else about you, is indicative of deep cowardice and disingenuity.

Raving of a hurt gallentean kid.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Whenever anyone challenges one of your asinine arguments, you accuse them of being either "Gallentean," a Gallentean "sympathiser" or just calling them an idiot.

Stupid lie.
I accuse someone in being gallentean sympathiser, only if they state point of view, either characteristic to gallenteans, will hurt the State or advance ideals of the Federation (like freedom, liberty and other crap like this).
And I call people idiots not when I don't agree with them, but when they are so extremely stupid, that real conversation with them is not possible.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You refuse to defend any of your ludicrous assertions despite the fact that they are quite often self-evidently at odds with objective reality.

As I said, if I forgot or missed to defend something, my opponent can always politely point me to the topic.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You suffer from a pathological inability to

Another raving of hurt gallentean kid.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#237 - 2013-08-24 19:05:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

actually put evidence behind assertion, and when called on it, you retreat into insults and denial.

Straightforward lie.

Well, to be honest... this is happening again and again.
This kid will never learn. I hope his lie generator will break soon. Haha.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2013-08-24 19:16:58 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Everything is worth answering.
But not everyone worth it.
When opponent points me that I didn't answer a certain question, I will apologize and answer.
When a moron will point me I didn't answer to him, I will show him not very nice sign.
...
Raving of a hurt gallentean kid.
...
Another raving of hurt gallentean kid.

Ravings of a hurt Provist child.

Diana Kim wrote:
Stupid lie.
I accuse someone in being gallentean sympathiser, only if they state point of view, either characteristic to gallenteans, will hurt the State or advance ideals of the Federation (like freedom, liberty and other crap like this).
And I call people idiots not when I don't agree with them, but when they are so extremely stupid, that real conversation with them is not possible.

But the fact is you've quite thoroughly demonstrated that your understanding of what constitutes concepts such as "ideals of the Federation" or "harm to the State" is fundamentally flawed. You clearly don't even understand what the ideals of the State are, let alone the ideals of the Federation, and you all but worship a man who has quite demonstrably done more harm to the State and its member corporations than any other individual or organisation in the State - or the Federation, for that matter - could possibly hope to achieve. You quite simply do not understand what is beneficial for the State and what is detrimental to it, and your behaviour over the past few months has demonstrated this conclusively.

For instance - you believe that attempting a full-blown ethnic cleansing would benefit the State.

Diana Kim wrote:
As I said, if I forgot or missed to defend something, my opponent can always politely point me to the topic.

At what point did you begin operating under the misapprehension you deserve people's politeness? You sacrificed that priviledge a long time ago. Why do you believe you are worthy of anyone's respect or propriety?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2013-08-24 19:29:41 UTC
I'm still upset that Diana Kim refused being a guest on my show, Fred Fred Frederation a few months back. :(

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2013-08-24 19:32:42 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
I'm still upset that Diana Kim refused being a guest on my show, Fred Fred Frederation a few months back. :(

Have you tried being less Gallentean?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.