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Kaalakiota Okusaika in the news

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#201 - 2013-08-16 05:03:00 UTC
A bold five year plan. A return to profitability and an aggressive strategy to reclaim market share.

Ahhh... The winds of change blow through KK!

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#202 - 2013-08-20 06:43:10 UTC
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.
You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#203 - 2013-08-20 07:21:06 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.


It has?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2013-08-20 12:09:24 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.
You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold.

You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was.

As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#205 - 2013-08-20 18:29:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
"Oritsuu-haani is now Gallentean. The corporation founded by Mathias Sobaseki is now Gallentean."

*whistles and turns to look over his shoulder* "Hey, Ensign Laanidei, call the Brigadier-General and tell him to bring those Marines down off that wall. Then call the CEP and tell them we're surrendering our position in Black Rise. The War's over and we lost."

*off camera* "Yes, Sir!"

"Ensign. Don't make those calls. Thinking about it, perhaps Diana Kim is mistaken and it's still our duty to stay out there and fight for the State. Yes, actually I'm sure that's the case. The more I think about her statements the more ridiculous they sound."

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#206 - 2013-08-20 21:08:29 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.
You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold.

You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was.

As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it.

And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#207 - 2013-08-20 21:16:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.
You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold.

You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was.

As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it.

And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it.


I think my irony meter just broke.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#208 - 2013-08-20 22:27:12 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it.

Then tell me, how am I wrong in any of the assessments I just made, idiot?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#209 - 2013-08-20 22:38:45 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it.

Then tell me, how am I wrong in any of the assessments I just made, idiot?

I don't even need. You have just confirmed yourself my point with a single line.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2013-08-20 23:16:51 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I don't even need.

Yes you do - or else you're conceeding that my points are correct. That's what lack of refutation means.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#211 - 2013-08-20 23:31:29 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.
You see, they start to care only about themselves, but not the State as a whole. They are betraying what all our peoples have been living for. I hope the changes will be turned back to the brighter future for both KK and the State as a whole, after Heth-haan will be reinstated and will bring all stray workers back into the fold.

You're just incredibly bitter that the person Heth ousted to seize control of KK is back in business, and it turns out she's far more competent than he was.

As for Heth ever being reinstated as CEO of Kaalakiota - it isn't happening. Deal with it.

And you are just an ignorant child, who replies with insults on whatever you don't agree, because you are physically impossible to argue as a civilized human. Your words are empty, just as your head. Deal with it.


I think my irony meter just broke.


I just switch mine off when reading IGS these days. Not even a surge protector helps.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#212 - 2013-08-21 05:12:55 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.


Kim, you seem to be under a misapprehension.

Do you know what the purpose of the Megacorps, on a day-to-day basis, has been? Has been, since before we broke away from the Gallente Federation? It has been the following:

1. To make money.

Not to "re-create the Raata Empire", nor to "crush the Gallente", nor even to be the most powerful nation in New Eden. It has been to make money.

Why? Because making money - making wealth, rather - is the only way to get anything else. The Amarr don't realize this, the Minmatar certainly don't, and the Gallente tend to be ambivalent about it on the whole. But it's the reason the Caldari State has rocketed to greatness and the forefront of technological development.

You see, you need wealth to fund the ammunition factories, wealth to build the ships, wealth to build the smelters, to construct the dormitories, feed the soldiers, fuel the Titans. Wealth is the economic means to do something. It is creative power, and condensed time and labor. It's the blood of the Caldari body, ever struggling to evolve and grow.

If Tibus Heth couldn't keep the most powerful Megacorp profitable, how in hell could he manage all eight? How on earth could he manage to keep the mills running, the foundries glowing?

We are first and foremost an economic power, not a military one. Not because our military is bad - it is the best equipped and designed in the cluster. But we are first and foremost an economic power because we could not be a military power without it. We build ships faster than the Gallente, we mine worlds better than the Amarr, and our economic might is such that we are the second largest economic power in the cluster, despite having the smallest population of all four empires - translating to a huge GDP-per-capita ratio.

And your grand plan is to toss that advantage into the sewer line by bringing back a leader incompetent to balance the books of a planetary bank. Wheeee. No.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#213 - 2013-08-21 06:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
To be fair, I think the grand plan of Heth and his acolytes such as Kim is, I suspect, to pray fervently at a shrine in order to summon the spirits of our ancestors from their halls of the dead and we can at last defeat the Federation and the Gallente in one last, final eschatological conflict.

It is true however that in many respects the corporation is a Gallentean invention. However, it is a successful model and in an economic system based upon capitalist principles it remains the most efficient model to generate wealth. Just because it was initially a Gallentean model does not automatically incorrect, because it's foolish not to adopt any method or technology that is proven successful or advantageous. The Gallente may have provided the corporate model but it is Caldari that adapted it to meet our own needs and requirements until it became our own corporate model and it was corporatism -- not democracy or liberalism -- that gave our people strength and liberation on the multitude of colonies we founded. A strength and liberation that the Gallente came to fear and sought to control through the laws of their Federation. It was the might of our corporations that acted as a bulwark against the hegemonic influence of the Gallente and the Federation and which secured the rights of the Caldari people to seek our freedom, liberty and independence through self-determination.

The State exists because we took from the Gallente their corporate models and made it more efficient, more refined and more powerful than they could conceive. There is no shame in taking the tools of others in order to use it against them for your own advantage.

Vikarion-haan has the right of it.

Heth fell from grace because he was too wrapped up in whatever delusional fantasies drove him, but not the actual realities he faced. And any leader that cannot recognize and preserve where their power comes from does not ever deserve to wield it.

This beside the fact that the only reason he came to power was due to the corporate system of the State and his share ownership in addition to the legitimacy granted by the CEP, how does one expect him to return to power when he's already vowed he wishes to destroy the corporations and thus the State itself?

The only option Heth has to return to power is raise arms against the State and the Caldari people. Anyone who does so is an enemy of the State. Any Caldari citizen who supports such an action is a Traitor.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#214 - 2013-08-21 08:56:25 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Right now KK turned, unfortunately, to a gallentean way.


Kim, you seem to be under a misapprehension.

Do you know what the purpose of the Megacorps, on a day-to-day basis, has been? Has been, since before we broke away from the Gallente Federation? It has been the following:

1. To make money.

Not to "re-create the Raata Empire", nor to "crush the Gallente", nor even to be the most powerful nation in New Eden. It has been to make money.

Why? Because making money - making wealth, rather - is the only way to get anything else. The Amarr don't realize this, the Minmatar certainly don't, and the Gallente tend to be ambivalent about it on the whole. But it's the reason the Caldari State has rocketed to greatness and the forefront of technological development.

You see, you need wealth to fund the ammunition factories, wealth to build the ships, wealth to build the smelters, to construct the dormitories, feed the soldiers, fuel the Titans. Wealth is the economic means to do something. It is creative power, and condensed time and labor. It's the blood of the Caldari body, ever struggling to evolve and grow.

If Tibus Heth couldn't keep the most powerful Megacorp profitable, how in hell could he manage all eight? How on earth could he manage to keep the mills running, the foundries glowing?

We are first and foremost an economic power, not a military one. Not because our military is bad - it is the best equipped and designed in the cluster. But we are first and foremost an economic power because we could not be a military power without it. We build ships faster than the Gallente, we mine worlds better than the Amarr, and our economic might is such that we are the second largest economic power in the cluster, despite having the smallest population of all four empires - translating to a huge GDP-per-capita ratio.

And your grand plan is to toss that advantage into the sewer line by bringing back a leader incompetent to balance the books of a planetary bank. Wheeee. No.

Wealth - yes.
Money - no.
It looks to me that it is you are in fact is under misapprehension.

Money is just a scrip, a note, a scratch on a wall. It is a meaningless number. And it is more like a gallentean way to simply accumulate such symbols of power, to swim in shineys, that gives no profit. Money is just a mean for exchanging the wealth, but the money is not the wealth.

You cannot buy yourself a bridge, if there is no bridge. You can't buy yourself a station, if there is no station. And you can't buy yourself a home, if there is no home. You have... I am sorry, not you, of course. We have to build them. We have to build bridges, stations and homes. Corporations aren't printing machines, that produce scripts. They produce goods. They build structures and ships. You may wave a batch of corporate scripts for eternity, but they won't make a ship appear, until someone will build it.

We are the first and foremost an economic power, because we produce stuff, not money! Corporations are peoples living working together, endeavoring to improve our society, to make future for Caldari children. Only together we can build ships faster than Gallente, mine worlds better than the Amarr and grow our economic might.

When I was a child, my mother told me a tale about the Magic Stone.

You know, there were ancients, who built enormous structures, marvelous with their greatness and incomprehensible to our ancestors, who were trying to understand their secrets. And during their studies our ancestors found an ancient manuscript, telling about stone, that allowed peoples to build castles and whole cities without boulders, timber and nails.

They were trying to decipher what this stone could do, and they decided, that it should generate money somehow. For example, by turning a regular stones into gemstones. For many generations our ancestors were trying to find this Magic Stone, to get a lot of money and build cities. Eventually, it became a fairytale and people ceased to believe in this myth of Magic Stone.

Centuries has passed, technology advanced and science developed. Out of pure interests scientists has returned to this concept of Magic Stone. They gathered all the material about this unusual phenomenon and soon found, that this Magic Stone was nothing, but... concrete. Just a concrete, Vikarion.

And you now remind me one of these 'wise men', who is stretching his arms towards another incarnation of this Magic Stone...

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#215 - 2013-08-21 10:08:20 UTC
I always did suspect Tibus Heth of being some kind of leftist-liberal socialist or even outright communist who was too mediocre a man in talent or ability to survive and prosper in a free-market capitalist system that adequately rewards those who do in fact possess talent and ability and provides fair incentives for fair work. Capitalism can be harsh, yes, but we are Caldari who accept that harshness in our society must often be required to ensure that it is only the strong who survive and the weak will perish to walk into the snows.

Tibus Heth, being a talentless mediocrity of an MTAC worker thus desired that all Caldari must become just as mediocre as he himself. The vision of his, "New Meritocracy" being only the thin veneer of lies to promote a form of socialism where Caldari are subjected to no longer live as free men and women guided by principle and virtue, where we prove and develop our strength as a society through competition but rather we are all to become slaves under nothing more than a communist regime with a tin-pot amateur and fool of a Dictator called Heth. A Dictator (Or is that Emperor?) who would then decide who gets favours and who does not simply on the basis of how loudly one can shout, "This is why the Federation must be destroyed!" while the Caldari people are forced to labour like slaves under the heels of such a corrupt system of cronyism.

It's rather evident the destruction inflicted upon Kaalakiota is solely due to attempts to implement such a delusional system such as socialism upon it. When it became clear that (unsurprisingly) you can't raise production rates simply by sending down some more Provists to shout more hate-speech at them and reminding them why the Federation must be destroyed through a megaphone while murdering anyone who might peacefully object to the demands of the Dear Leader, Tibus Heth then sought to do so with the rest of the State.

Now, being just another mediocrity in a dysfunctional socialist regime and being spoon-fed lies and propaganda while being told to shout, "This is why the Federation must be destroyed" at the end of the barrel of a gun while a bunch of self-serving and corrupt Provist cronies decide whatever they may want to do with the products of your labours might appeal to some, but it certainly did not, nor does not appear to appeal to the majority of Caldari.

And that is why Tibus Heth was destroyed.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2013-08-21 11:16:23 UTC
Apparently Heth also supports selling political enemies into slavery, because Kim's all about that.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#217 - 2013-08-21 12:09:00 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I always did suspect Tibus Heth of being some kind of leftist-liberal socialist or even outright communist who was too mediocre a man in talent or ability to survive and prosper in a free-market capitalist system that adequately rewards those who do in fact possess talent and ability and provides fair incentives for fair work.

In fact, Heth-haan was a CEO of a megacorp and even Executor of the whole State. This is not a trait of a mediocre man. This signifies a great merit and ability. You know, Gesakaarin-tyuui, you talk too much about mediocrity. I would assume it is a painful point for you. Mediocrity is a general population of the State. They are the citizens, whom we (except you, it seems), ought to protect, and for whose future we fight. In that sense, you, who lack qualities and abilities comparable with our CEOs, is one of such mediocrities as well. But in fact, you are not. You are not a mediocrity of the State. You are below them. Ignorant, self-esteemed, unmerited, hedonistic, opportunistic and individualistic greedy creature, that looks at gallentean ideals with shining eyes. I don't know when you stepped below the line of mediocrity and became descending deep below to the very gutter of creation. And I don't know if a person like you can be repaired.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Tibus Heth, being a talentless mediocrity of an MTAC worker thus desired that all Caldari must become just as mediocre as he himself.

As I have said already, he is very talented and way above mediocrity, that people, who are below mediocrity, like you, have troubles seeing. And he tried to raise level of peoples. If you think, that he tried to put you and your kin to mediocre level, it would be a great job pulling your upwards. As for me, I would you prefer laying deep in dirt, because should you or your kin get higher into the State, tyuui like you would start turning wheels to their own benefit instead of benefit of the whole State. Or even break wheels by trying to doing so.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
The vision of his, "New Meritocracy" being only the thin veneer of lies to promote a form of socialism

New Meritocracy is not lies, this is a new reality already. This is a reality, where old Veikitamos with rouged nails and protruded lips who used to whine to obtain better and warmer places with help of their daddies and monies, will be deprived of their positions and booted out to exile or to live as capsuleers. This is a reality where workers will get positions according to their abilities and merits. What has been started by Tibus Heth, cannot be already stopped. You can cry as much as you want, the road back to you is closed.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
where Caldari are subjected to no longer live as free men and women guided by principle and virtue, where we prove and develop our strength as a society through competition but rather we are all to become slaves under nothing more than a communist regime with a tin-pot amateur and fool of a Dictator called Heth. A Dictator (Or is that Emperor?) who would then decide who gets favours and who does not simply on the basis of how loudly one can shout, "This is why the Federation must be destroyed!" while the Caldari people are forced to labour like slaves under the heels of such a corrupt system of cronyism.

And now you decided to open you true nature. Right in time! So, children, lets identify this species:
- likes freedom
- calls Caldari government dictatorial
- calls caldari citizens slaves
I can give you a hint, these species start with letter 'G'.

Obviously this woman nourishes warm feeling towards gallentean ideals. She disgraces name of Caldari and Caldari society. She is obsessed with hatred against our former leader and Hero of the State. And she disrespects our citizens for what we did rightfully to her. Look carefully, citizens, what snake have you warmed on your chest.

Stay vigilant,
And may you find profits.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2013-08-21 14:40:14 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
In fact, Heth-haan was a CEO of a megacorp and even Executor of the whole State. This is not a trait of a mediocre man. This signifies a great merit and ability.

The man managed to drive the State close to bankruptcy with the disastrous war against the Federation. The State has gained literally nothing from it and lost trillions of ISK in bad investments which Heth not only misappropriated but managed to waste spectacularly in his failed bid to cling to power. He trampled on the human rights of Gallentean colonies illegally occupied by the CPD, interfered with the legitimate authority of the CBT and refused to recognise the authority of the CEP when they finally began to rein in his abuse of power.

The man is mediocre in every sense of the word.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#219 - 2013-08-21 14:45:38 UTC
One bad gamble does not bankruptcy make. Mind, this is no defense of Heth.

That said, the IGS has several threads dedicated to Kim-baiting. Perhaps we should keep said baiting to those threads, instead of infecting every thread with the rot?

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2013-08-21 14:49:10 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
One bad gamble does not bankruptcy make.

I beg to differ. In the case of Heth's gamble, it drove the State so ruinously close to bankruptcy they had to indebt themselves massively to the Amarrians - an action, incidentally, that violates the deeply sacred Caldari cultural tradition of "Never Again."

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.