EVE General Discussion

I did thanks, hence my recap.

Maybe you could help this guy, tell him how he's ruining PvP.

You my good man need a wingman.

Thankfully I am running wingman / body guard program for those in need of an additional.

For a flat fee of 200 Mil ISK / week my main will provide you with our services.

After ISK is received I will join your corp and provide any and all support needed.

You can EVE mail me for any and all information needed for this service.

No, Negative Ten actually.

Nah no 20 man bombing fleet, 2 at most will catch all those noob ships and shuttles. I in fact multibox the whole corp with ISBoxer, that's why we suck so much.

Oh and I'm not trolling, simply laughing at you like everyone else.

One of our biggest adversaries multiboxes, and he can't catch a cruiser coming through a gate. I think what you mean is "Multiboxing is ruining MY pvp". Adapt.

Well using multiboxing softwares is not the best for tackling then?

And yes, it ruined my pvp a few times, but I'm not the only one.

GTO with adapting, all the scared birds yelling ADAPT, who cares? There are things u can't adapt to.

Hi! I multibox. A rather lot.

There seems to be a rather hilarious overestimation of the true power/capability of tools such as isboxer (and others). While I would love to be a pvp supergod, as some say this tool makes you, my several hundred (approaching a thousand) stealth bomber losses this year is probably sufficient proof to show otherwise. (I'm pretty bad at eve though so maybe I am a god, just a terrible one, who knows)

Out of game requirements:
-Ridiculously high end PC
-Way above average general computer knowledge
-Patience and ability to learn the tool (which, by the way, is completely unintelligible and difficult to use)

Skill requirements:
-Very high battlefield perception
-Insane multitasking ability
-Capability to react to quickly changing circumstances
-Recovering from a bad situation when things go wrong
-Knowledge of when to cut your losses and bail

In game requirements:
-Logistics chain to supply X characters on deployments or otherwise
-Massive almost corp-level income source(s). Even more if you are plexing the accounts.
-All the other things, like skill management, moving characters around etc. Multiplied X times of course.


Even if you are great at all that, you're going to lose a devastating number of ships, and for most people it isn't sustainable at all.

People keep saying this is pay to win, or easy mode pvp, or it's breaking the game. I have been multiboxing for about a year and a half now. It took me about a year of constantly playing to master just one shiptype. During wartime I easily lose 100 ships a month, uninsurable. I pay out 6.5 BILLION a MONTH in plex alone, and several more billion on ships, ammo and logistics. Every month. Poof.

All the software does is repeat commands. Simple right? WELL...not really. Ever notice how your overview is slow to load when things enter/leave grid? Well it turns out they load at different rates for everyone, which means locking things accurately is next to impossible at times. I could list dozens of other limitations like that, but that's just an example. How do you keep cameras aligned? How do you approach a target with traversal when they aren't? Drones are difficult to use and control. Overview is a disaster in every sense. Micromanaging modules is incredibly difficult. If your ships get split up it's a nightmare. Using more than one shiptype exacerbates all of these issues.

The fact is, an equivalent fleet of real people will always be more effective than a single person. Running a multibox squad is very similar to a barely constrained trainwreck at all times, and once something goes wrong it more often than not spirals into an orgy of death and destruction. For you. It's usually expensive. And since you're fighting a bunch of real people, they will capitalize on it every time. That said, multiboxers usually find some niche role in which it works, practice it for months until they master it, and then unleash hell on everyone else. That's where these tear threads come up, because it's usually someone at the other end of six months of practice, failures, lessons learned and, eventually, perfection. At least as close as you can get. Sorry if you feel CCP should make it easy against someone who is playing the game several levels above you. For a lot of people, this is endgame content.

To fund it all, I either have to rat for 30+ hours a month, or do other activities (guess which I prefer). In the past, this has included things like market speculation and trade (requiring market knowledge and billions of isk) and POS reactions. (Think 30+ POS at a time) Currently I'm taking a break and I'm burning through my isk stockpile alarmingly quickly. The point is this - without a wholesome understanding of many varied aspects of the game, this kind of expense just isn't sustainable.

So, for everyone that says it's easy, or pay to win or whatever other nonsense you're spewing, I invite you to give the trial a go, start up a half dozen accounts and then do a few roams through syndicate in thoraxes. I look forward to your lossmails.

Thanks for the explanation.

I think for those who multiboxing, money is not an issue, and I think I never said it's an easy thing to set up.

Anyway, expensive or not, hard to set up or not, it's still an out of game tool which can affect the game directly, and that is bad.

I don't mind unique chars and individuals, that is allowed in this nice sandbox. Ofc multiboxing is allowed too, but why???

How the hell evemon or eft or dotlan or etc etc has a direct effenct on the game? And i said a reason why it shouldn't be allowed.

Is it expensive? is it hard to set up? "Whose problem is that"?