EVE General Discussion

Pubbie tears: noun, plural, see above post.
Pubbie is actually quite a common term that is not unique to Goons one bit. But people take Eve so damn seriously and think the Mittani the devil himself, so they attribute all sorts of special attributes to Goons.

Anyway, I'd love to see a Burn Jita with Carriers. We should allow carriers in highsec for this annual tradition. Give Concord the week off, they work too hard.

I tried multiboxing with 20 accounts because some genius told me it was all about the ram. Well, I had ram to spare so I guess it was something else. But the op seems to think it's somehow cheating.

is Captain Kirk a cheater because he says fire phasers and someone else pushes the button for him? Is Captain Picard a cheater because he says engage and someone else controls the warp?

What about when some fleet commander calls a target and 4000 guys blast a TESTE? Is he cheating? Of course not.

Learn to multibox like a real eve player or GTFO

It didn't, but the topic is about multiboxing softwares are ruining pvp, not about a goon dominix fleet.

Well, I used the old archive system to look up "pubbie" and it's origin(1)... and it was from Goons to signify a non SA.com forum poster. (Yes, I do believe I harvested some tears out of that conversation thanks for pointing it out for all to see =( ).

Now it might not be unique to Goons "NOW", but heh, as it was me being called a "pubbie who doesn't use the search function" and the information found actually USING the search function.... I'm having trouble believing you.

As to Captain Kirk.. he IS a cheater, I do not know how you can even imagine he isn't. He is a Scoundrel (And rightly so god bless him!) and uses "cheats" to prove his point all the time. Hid reasons or "because" has nothing to do with it. You either are something or you aren't.

When a FC calls a target and a TESTE gets shot, that's not cheating, that's the inability to follow simple orders. They should be shooting the target, not their balls.

(1)https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=254431

Feel free to use google and find more relevance if your heart desires it.

We'll see.

Oh my, that looks nice and handy.

Different meaning here though. Back then it was an adolescent reference. Now it's an elitist reference by closed societies to anyone public. It's not really new though. Elitist societies have always found ways to segregate and it often leads to inbreeding or in the case of online variations, meta gaming. Nobody in the society sees how they rot from within and can't understand why others look at them in disgust or are unable to appreciate their glorious success.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Wow - If only MB software was as powerful as some seem to think - but then if it were, I'd vote against it. As it is now, it is simply a repeater passing on the command of a person who is selecting a correct or an incorrect choice.

The OP says his friends are great (I'm glad he covered his a@@ on that after saying how they behave in fleets or he will be forever locked into only being able to multi-box PVE in a 6/10 again as he will have no friends) but they make mistakes because they are human.

Having one of the MB packages does not transform the user from being human to being perfect. The programs only do what the human tells then to do and when they tell them to do it. The packages do not make the 19 other ships do what the single player WANTS them to do, but what the player TELLS them to do. So a 20 player fleet with 20 humans has a player who makes a mistake and one ship blaps off to somewhere else as that player is more interested in Blink or something. If the human with 20 ships awaiting his key/mouse selection gets distracted or perhaps overwhelmed by knowing that ANY mistake will likely become a catastrophe and does make a mistake, then that player has made 20 mistakes and the whole fleet does the wrong thing.

My main uses the software the OP advertised by name. Someone mentioned it was created by an Eve player and another said it was even allowed by Blizzard. Go to their forum and you will see that "Lax" the apparently only person there from that company or its parent company is a WOW player who developed the software to play on that platform, has a disdain for Eve players but puts up with them ($). It is a difficult program to wrangle with - guides written by coders for coders. I use it only to login in, to see 6 tiny screens and a big one simultaneously showing my 7 'toons on one 30 inch monitor at the same time and to move my little caravan from one place to another with some degree of safety as a lot of DPS is escorting a very small number of not so much DPS ships.

When I first got it and tried to go from point A to Point B - about ten jumps, My ship got there with a bunch of others, (I think I had 10 toons then) and a couple of ships were apparently a little slow in getting to a gate along the way. Because I did not take a headcount after waiting for the slightly slower ships to arrive at each gate and I selected the next gate from my overview. Those slower ships were in some other system, negotiated the gate I told them to and began or extended their own odyssey to as many jumps off the route as I had left to the final system. I didn't lose all of them. I thought like a lot of the uninformed posters here, that the software would make them all do what I WANTED them to do, not what I TOLD them to do. I learned a lot of limitations in a fast, quick, hurry. I took a couple of days to just move my little fleet to a hisec system (.8) to put the software and me through a few field training exercises with very weak adversaries and without the help of any casual roaming interlopers.

I don't do any mining anymore, but had the MB software when I did and gave up trying to save effort with it, because I don't have the desire to put anything else on my bucket list - I'm in my late 60s and I'm not going to learn a boatload of crap just to mine or to PVP. I'd never do PVP with it and my hat is off to those who do. I've done some level 5 missions with two ships using it in a fleet of my Corpies and without their understanding, I would have lost one of those two ships on several occasions. I have a great deal of respect for those who can tame any of the various packages, but my aspirations are not that high.

That is not to say I don't understand the capabilities of the software, I do understand the capabilities and the limitations. If I thought it was cheating, I would be on your side.

The term "3rd party software" is tossed around quite a bit, but try using Eve on a recently formatted HD with NO other software.

"Oh, MY! I have Windows ME, not Win8, only one video card, not two with on board ram, that HD and not a slick SSD, my MoBo is older than my own mother, this dialup is slow, my 15 inch B&W monitor is the pits, my keyboard is gummed up with nacho cheese and my mouse is pregnant, again and her mouse pad has turned into a Crack House!! it is clear anyone else with anything better is pay to win.

The phrase "not how it is supposed to be played" or words to that effect, countermand the doctrine of Eve from the beginning - That "the game will go where the players take it." That is how it is supposed to be and has been from the beginning.

Please do not take it personally when 10 ships beat your 10 ships (or 5 or 55 or any number you choose to undock in any fleet or multi-boxing arrangement you have admitted to use). The ships in your fleet have limitations and the ships in the MB package fleet have limitations. Your job is to, (may the US Marine Corps pardon me) Adapt and Overcome. If Eve was meant to be fair, we would all arrive from our trial periods with level 5 in everything, we would have unlimited ISK, Monocles to all, and we could not go into systems where we would encounter any players with total online game time more or less than fifteen days from our total online game time to keep us all on an even footing, experientially speaking.

OP, give it up. As sincere as you believe your cause to be, it has found support which only repeats your weak case. The reason for a paucity of support is your basic premise, not any of the many detractor's failure to understand. Nay, the opposite is the case.

I wish you luck. I think you will need it.

Goon Dominix fleets using multiboxing software has nothing to do with multiboxing software. You heard it from the OP.

i still think OP should just get some friends.