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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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ashley Eoner
#341 - 2013-08-09 17:44:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Quote:
Explained it multiple times;

Windows is 3rd party software.
Your mouse driver is 3rd party software.
Your video driver is 3rd party software.
All software on your PC that is not in the CCP folder is 3rd party. Eve will not run without it, period.

What you want, specifically, is for people to not play eve with more than 2 accounts because that is the number you have, and you don't want them to use software that duplicates input.

The reason you don't just spell it out is because it sounds like a silly request when you do.
Don't forget hardware too as it's quite easy to build a repeating box.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#342 - 2013-08-09 17:56:47 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Quote:
Explained it multiple times;

Windows is 3rd party software.
Your mouse driver is 3rd party software.
Your video driver is 3rd party software.
All software on your PC that is not in the CCP folder is 3rd party. Eve will not run without it, period.

What you want, specifically, is for people to not play eve with more than 2 accounts because that is the number you have, and you don't want them to use software that duplicates input.

The reason you don't just spell it out is because it sounds like a silly request when you do.
Don't forget hardware too as it's quite easy to build a repeating box.


Yes, they guy that started the ISBoxer controversy is my hero. I would have a better chance of cheating on my wife and staying married than I would purchasing his 14x eve server/rig/whatever that beast is.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#343 - 2013-08-09 18:44:51 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Quote:
Explained it multiple times;

Windows is 3rd party software.
Your mouse driver is 3rd party software.
Your video driver is 3rd party software.
All software on your PC that is not in the CCP folder is 3rd party. Eve will not run without it, period.

What you want, specifically, is for people to not play eve with more than 2 accounts because that is the number you have, and you don't want them to use software that duplicates input.

The reason you don't just spell it out is because it sounds like a silly request when you do.
Don't forget hardware too as it's quite easy to build a repeating box.

Yes, they guy that started the ISBoxer controversy is my hero. I would have a better chance of cheating on my wife and staying married than I would purchasing his 14x eve server/rig/whatever that beast is.

zzek kromtor. I think. Hilarious, I remember he was going to try multiboxing bombers. We have two people who do that, but I don't think I've seen him appear in our fleets.

Actually multiboxing torp bombers for siegefleets would be nice.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ashley Eoner
#344 - 2013-08-09 19:37:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Cipher Jones wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Quote:
Explained it multiple times;

Windows is 3rd party software.
Your mouse driver is 3rd party software.
Your video driver is 3rd party software.
All software on your PC that is not in the CCP folder is 3rd party. Eve will not run without it, period.

What you want, specifically, is for people to not play eve with more than 2 accounts because that is the number you have, and you don't want them to use software that duplicates input.

The reason you don't just spell it out is because it sounds like a silly request when you do.
Don't forget hardware too as it's quite easy to build a repeating box.


Yes, they guy that started the ISBoxer controversy is my hero. I would have a better chance of cheating on my wife and staying married than I would purchasing his 14x eve server/rig/whatever that beast is.
Well he went for overkill because he obviously has the money. You could easily run eve on barebones boxes with old pentium 4s or newer with 200 watt (or less)PSUs and some integrated graphics. This game isn't really hard on the hardware side of things. You just need a CPU that supports SSE2 a graphics adapter that supports shader 3.0, 1-2 GB of ram and something of a hard drive.

I could setup four boxes right now with old parts lying around (on top of my current 3).
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#345 - 2013-08-10 06:47:37 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
StinkRay wrote:
Multi boxing is fun. Do you not like fun?


Ofc I like fun, but I more like the excitement of being solo or dualboxing, all alone without any software help.


You can't play EVE without software.


You are right sir, i meant without a 3rd party software.


Explained it multiple times;

Windows is 3rd party software.
Your mouse driver is 3rd party software.
Your video driver is 3rd party software.
All software on your PC that is not in the CCP folder is 3rd party. Eve will not run without it, period.

What you want, specifically, is for people to not play eve with more than 2 accounts because that is the number you have, and you don't want them to use software that duplicates input.

The reason you don't just spell it out is because it sounds like a silly request when you do.


Btw:

- Windows can't control charachters
- the mouse driver can't control charachters
- the video driver can't control charachters
- no other "3rd party" softwares can control charachters, except the multiboxing softwares

Pls stop bitchin' about this, it's annoying, and what you are saying is ridiculous.
Chalithra Lathar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#346 - 2013-08-10 07:27:12 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:

Btw:

- Windows can't control charachters
- the mouse driver can't control charachters
- the video driver can't control charachters
- no other "3rd party" softwares can control charachters, except the multiboxing softwares

Pls stop bitchin' about this, it's annoying, and what you are saying is ridiculous.


All your bitching is quite irrelevant. Whatever anyone says about "3rd Party Software" is irrelevant.

CCP has stated that key and mouse broadcasting to multiple clients is fine, therefore it is in no way cheating or in violation of any TOU, TOS, EULA, or any other crock you can come up with or delude yourself with.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#347 - 2013-08-10 07:53:52 UTC
Chalithra Lathar wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

Btw:

- Windows can't control charachters
- the mouse driver can't control charachters
- the video driver can't control charachters
- no other "3rd party" softwares can control charachters, except the multiboxing softwares

Pls stop bitchin' about this, it's annoying, and what you are saying is ridiculous.


All your bitching is quite irrelevant. Whatever anyone says about "3rd Party Software" is irrelevant.

CCP has stated that key and mouse broadcasting to multiple clients is fine, therefore it is in no way cheating or in violation of any TOU, TOS, EULA, or any other crock you can come up with or delude yourself with.


I know it's not violating the EULA, and CCP let people to use multiboxing softwares. But I hope they will realize what is the matter with letting people using multiboxing softwares, and I hope it will change.
Chalithra Lathar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#348 - 2013-08-10 07:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Chalithra Lathar
TKL HUN wrote:
I know it's not violating the EULA, and CCP let people to use multiboxing softwares. But I hope they will realize what is the matter with letting people using multiboxing softwares, and I hope it will change.


Then why even bother mentioning the TOS to begin with?

Honestly, Multiboxing hurts the game about as much as any other fleet does - as in not at all. If anything, multiboxers are good for the game.
Dave Stark
#349 - 2013-08-10 08:01:13 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I know it's not violating the EULA, and CCP let people to use multiboxing softwares. But I hope they will realize what is the matter with letting people using multiboxing softwares, and I hope it will change.


yeah, people throwing an extra £15+ at CCP every month to fund the future of the game is terrible, we should stop it immediately!
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#350 - 2013-08-10 08:07:58 UTC
This could very well be a Hairy Forever thread...

No offense to the OP.

Anyhow, the PvE and mining crowd would fill the forums if this ever happened
and the tears would create a new ocean.

Furthermore would it cost too much money. It's not worth it. It's not even ruining anything,
because tthere's no ingame difference between 20 people flying around at the same time
and one guy controlling 20 accounts at the same time.

None.

I've reread the OP to be sure. It doesn't matter if you get the short straw against multiple ships
controlled by multiple people, or just by one guy. From an ingame perspective there's no difference.

If you want it to be changed, you need to find an argument that displays such a difference
and present it in a way that proves that it hurts the sandbox. What matters is how it looks ingame
and not that we know if it's one person or several.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#351 - 2013-08-10 09:53:13 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
This could very well be a Hairy Forever thread...

No offense to the OP.

Anyhow, the PvE and mining crowd would fill the forums if this ever happened
and the tears would create a new ocean.

Furthermore would it cost too much money. It's not worth it. It's not even ruining anything,
because tthere's no ingame difference between 20 people flying around at the same time
and one guy controlling 20 accounts at the same time.

None.

I've reread the OP to be sure. It doesn't matter if you get the short straw against multiple ships
controlled by multiple people, or just by one guy. From an ingame perspective there's no difference.

If you want it to be changed, you need to find an argument that displays such a difference
and present it in a way that proves that it hurts the sandbox. What matters is how it looks ingame
and not that we know if it's one person or several.



Yes, i have to admint that a good argument is needed. For me it is still a good one that I don't want to do pvp against a horde of charachters which can't make mistakes.
Dave Stark
#352 - 2013-08-10 09:57:35 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Yes, i have to admint that a good argument is needed. For me it is still a good one that I don't want to do pvp against a horde of charachters which can't make mistakes.


except that's never the case as players can always make mistakes, and every account is still controlled by a player regardless of if they're multiboxing or not.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#353 - 2013-08-10 10:26:36 UTC
Wow, my second good and reasonable argument in two days.

Dave ... roams today ?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2013-08-10 11:55:32 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Yes, i have to admint that a good argument is needed. For me it is still a good one that I don't want to do pvp against a horde of charachters which can't make mistakes.


except that's never the case as players can always make mistakes, and every account is still controlled by a player regardless of if they're multiboxing or not.

even more, due to the attention span required to control n+1 accounts at the same time, considering everything, errors are more likely to happen.

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Dave Stark
#355 - 2013-08-10 12:04:01 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Dave ... roams today ?


afraid not, got some other things that need doing today.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#356 - 2013-08-10 14:14:41 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Yes, i have to admint that a good argument is needed. For me it is still a good one that I don't want to do pvp against a horde of charachters which can't make mistakes.

except that's never the case as players can always make mistakes, and every account is still controlled by a player regardless of if they're multiboxing or not.

even more, due to the attention span required to control n+1 accounts at the same time, considering everything, errors are more likely to happen.

You should've seen some of the welps that guy multiboxing bombers gets them into.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#357 - 2013-08-10 14:56:23 UTC
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters


You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#358 - 2013-08-10 17:58:12 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters

You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.

Telekinesising the electrons in your motherboard? Eh?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#359 - 2013-08-10 19:15:58 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters


You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.
*LOL*

Sorry, i really had to laugh about this post ...

As far as i know, the mouse still needs a human to control the character,
unless there's software within the mouse driver that does it for him, of course ... ^_^
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#360 - 2013-08-10 22:30:17 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
the mouse driver can't control charachters


You literally have no clue what you are talking about. How in the world do you control your character, with telekinesis?

That should be the name of the next expansion.
*LOL*

Sorry, i really had to laugh about this post ...

As far as i know, the mouse still needs a human to control the character,
unless there's software within the mouse driver that does it for him, of course ... ^_^

So your point is that isboxer controls things without a human? Sounds like it needs to be reported.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?