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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#201 - 2013-08-05 12:58:57 UTC
simple solution is not sit there finishing the plex while someone scans you down.

don't matter if its 1 player or 10 sitting at the controls, 5 ships come into local and start probing, you GTFO

I honestly don't see how this is game breaking
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#202 - 2013-08-05 13:51:01 UTC
Morganta wrote:
simple solution is not sit there finishing the plex while someone scans you down.

don't matter if its 1 player or 10 sitting at the controls, 5 ships come into local and start probing, you GTFO

I honestly don't see how this is game breaking


I already said it 2 or 3 times, that was just an example, the real problem is not that.

And yes, it matters if 1 player can control 10 or 20 or 30 or whatever how many accounts at the same time with a 3rd party software.

If he can control 20 without a 3rd party software, i will be the happiest to take down some of those.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#203 - 2013-08-05 13:59:05 UTC
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Roime wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
So the real OP's problem is that he can't afford better hardware and buy ISboxer and get more alts..

OP, please don't ask to alter/change game just because you are poor and have a **** hardware.


Thank you.


He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it.




Yes, and his PC is too crappy to run more than 2 accounts, so he cant use that ISboxer software, so he feels that everyone must be limited just to 2-4 accounts controllable without any 3rd party software..


I have 15 charachters, I don't care if someone has 100. But if he can control all at the same time, like he was controlling only 1, that is bad.

It's not about my hardware, not about my wallet. Im not playing EVE to cheat, or to make it any easier.

I use whatever can be used ingame, coz I have the isk for anything and everything, and that's all.

I like this game because of the PVP. And PVP is not about me controlling 2 chars, VS another player controlling 1, WHICH IS ACTUALLY 20 OR 30 OR 40, because a 3RD PARTY software does it for him.

That is what you call PVP?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#204 - 2013-08-05 14:01:01 UTC
ccp basically says isboxer is alright. You can have any opinion you like, but the fact is the situation isn't changing at a..

To me it boils down to jealousy. I had a corp mate (in my previous corp/alliance) who used ISBoxer to multibox 10 nagas, it was MURDER on serpentis rats in fountain, he would also pvp that way too. I call him the "one man local spike" lol.

One day i was trying to make is and i was (manually) dualboxing a Vindicator and Tengu. So he comes on and one man local spikes trhe system lol, and starts vacuuming Serpentis Forsaken Hubs. Suddenly, everytime I warped to one, he was there, or it was a bunch of wrecks showthing that he'd just been there lol.

You know what i did? Rage'd? Threaten him in corp chat? Run to ccp asking for them to make it stop?

Nope, i got real comfy with Serpentis Forsaken Rally Points and discovered that not only was the isk per hour close to the same, but SFRPs escalates to serp 8/10s which is WAY less annoying that what the forsaken hubs escalate too. So i found a new way to make isj without jumping 32 jumps round trip!

Thanks Isboxer, it's all because of you!!!
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#205 - 2013-08-05 14:24:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
ccp basically says isboxer is alright. You can have any opinion you like, but the fact is the situation isn't changing at a..

To me it boils down to jealousy. I had a corp mate (in my previous corp/alliance) who used ISBoxer to multibox 10 nagas, it was MURDER on serpentis rats in fountain, he would also pvp that way too. I call him the "one man local spike" lol.

One day i was trying to make is and i was (manually) dualboxing a Vindicator and Tengu. So he comes on and one man local spikes trhe system lol, and starts vacuuming Serpentis Forsaken Hubs. Suddenly, everytime I warped to one, he was there, or it was a bunch of wrecks showthing that he'd just been there lol.

You know what i did? Rage'd? Threaten him in corp chat? Run to ccp asking for them to make it stop?

Nope, i got real comfy with Serpentis Forsaken Rally Points and discovered that not only was the isk per hour close to the same, but SFRPs escalates to serp 8/10s which is WAY less annoying that what the forsaken hubs escalate too. So i found a new way to make isj without jumping 32 jumps round trip!

Thanks Isboxer, it's all because of you!!!


You are talking about PVE, I don't care about PVE.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#206 - 2013-08-05 14:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
TKL HUN wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
ccp basically says isboxer is alright. You can have any opinion you like, but the fact is the situation isn't changing at a..

To me it boils down to jealousy. I had a corp mate (in my previous corp/alliance) who used ISBoxer to multibox 10 nagas, it was MURDER on serpentis rats in fountain, he would also pvp that way too. I call him the "one man local spike" lol.

One day i was trying to make is and i was (manually) dualboxing a Vindicator and Tengu. So he comes on and one man local spikes trhe system lol, and starts vacuuming Serpentis Forsaken Hubs. Suddenly, everytime I warped to one, he was there, or it was a bunch of wrecks showthing that he'd just been there lol.

You know what i did? Rage'd? Threaten him in corp chat? Run to ccp asking for them to make it stop?

Nope, i got real comfy with Serpentis Forsaken Rally Points and discovered that not only was the isk per hour close to the same, but SFRPs escalates to serp 8/10s which is WAY less annoying that what the forsaken hubs escalate too. So i found a new way to make isj without jumping 32 jumps round trip!

Thanks Isboxer, it's all because of you!!!


You are talking about PVE, I don't care about PVE.


And yet you started your original post with a PVE incident. If you don't care about PVE, why talk about a dude stealing your 6/10?

what you said:
TKL HUN wrote:


I was trying to do a sansha 6/10 with my alt, but the guy who uses one of these softwares was on local, tried to probe me down a few times, and a bit later he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.

Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that, with my main, and with my combat alt?? What if he brings more dps, or more guardians, because he can, he has like 15-20 accs, and he can control all at the same time.

On the other hand, I wouldn't care if a 10 man gang would steal the complex I'm doing, because they can, it can happen.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#207 - 2013-08-05 15:18:36 UTC
and seriously, name one game where stealing PVP mobs with superior DPS isn't allowed.

tough beans, the softwares are teh ok.

use it to your advantage, I mean you do realize multiboxers are gimped as well right?
go kill his afk off-grid links while he's banging the site.

if you only knew just how many ships multiboxers loose because they are multiboxing, you might be on your way to having a clue
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#208 - 2013-08-05 16:56:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
ccp basically says isboxer is alright. You can have any opinion you like, but the fact is the situation isn't changing at a..

To me it boils down to jealousy. I had a corp mate (in my previous corp/alliance) who used ISBoxer to multibox 10 nagas, it was MURDER on serpentis rats in fountain, he would also pvp that way too. I call him the "one man local spike" lol.

One day i was trying to make is and i was (manually) dualboxing a Vindicator and Tengu. So he comes on and one man local spikes trhe system lol, and starts vacuuming Serpentis Forsaken Hubs. Suddenly, everytime I warped to one, he was there, or it was a bunch of wrecks showthing that he'd just been there lol.

You know what i did? Rage'd? Threaten him in corp chat? Run to ccp asking for them to make it stop?

Nope, i got real comfy with Serpentis Forsaken Rally Points and discovered that not only was the isk per hour close to the same, but SFRPs escalates to serp 8/10s which is WAY less annoying that what the forsaken hubs escalate too. So i found a new way to make isj without jumping 32 jumps round trip!

Thanks Isboxer, it's all because of you!!!


You are talking about PVE, I don't care about PVE.


And yet you started your original post with a PVE incident. If you don't care about PVE, why talk about a dude stealing your 6/10?

what you said:
TKL HUN wrote:


I was trying to do a sansha 6/10 with my alt, but the guy who uses one of these softwares was on local, tried to probe me down a few times, and a bit later he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.

Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that, with my main, and with my combat alt?? What if he brings more dps, or more guardians, because he can, he has like 15-20 accs, and he can control all at the same time.

On the other hand, I wouldn't care if a 10 man gang would steal the complex I'm doing, because they can, it can happen.



Ok, maybe i wasn't clear enough, sorry for that. I don't care about the relation of PVE and multiboxing.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#209 - 2013-08-05 17:28:20 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.


He wasn't using multiboxing software.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
handbanana
State War Academy
Caldari State
#210 - 2013-08-05 17:31:00 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.


He wasn't using multiboxing software.


/thread

Bolded for the deaf.



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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#211 - 2013-08-05 18:01:26 UTC
ITT;

Valid response, change subject.

New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.

Repeat.

All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.

Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.

Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.

OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#212 - 2013-08-05 19:10:13 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
ITT;

Valid response, change subject.

New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.

Repeat.

All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.

Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.

Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.

OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled.


I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.
Dave Stark
#213 - 2013-08-05 19:11:25 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.


we'd rather you explain how multiboxing is ruining pvp, frankly.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#214 - 2013-08-05 19:19:57 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.


we'd rather you explain how multiboxing is ruining pvp, frankly.


This. I haven't read the entire thread, but thus far all I see are assertions that it does ruin the game, with little time given to why, or how. The only "how" you have given in a PvE situation, which, if you didn't care about, you should not have posted.

So please, tell us why and how it ruins pvp.

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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#215 - 2013-08-05 19:30:40 UTC
to the op

I keep reading pvp


yet you are complaining that you got knocked out of a complex(which is pve) in your OP you assert you don't care about pve.


me confused.
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#216 - 2013-08-05 19:42:50 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I see you guys don't really understand what I mean.

Yes, you can look after 4 clients if you have 4 monitor.

But what if I go into the complex with a dps ship, and with a falcon?

He will undock 4 more dps ships, and 6 more guardians, and don't tell me he has 15 monitors, and he can take care of 15 clients.

If someone can buy, and use multiboxing software, then EVE will become a pay to win game, which is sad in my opinion with a 10 year history behind EVE.

...what are you talking about? Undock from where? With what accounts? In what ships? How do you magically ~know~ he has "6 more guardians" and "15 clients"? Does he also dual-box a Titan to cyno all of these magical alts in with?

Most dual-boxers (yourself included) use all available accounts. Dual-boxing alt-escalation is not really a thing because dual-boxing is, by its nature, an already tedious enough task that it's typically done on either a small number of accounts that you alt-tab through or by one guy in twenty of the same ship mashing F1. Neither playstyle involves any sort of deeper meta.

Get your alt in a Falcon, jam his logi, and get yourself some free kills. Killing dual-boxers is infinitely easier than killing real fleets.

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#217 - 2013-08-05 19:46:07 UTC
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#218 - 2013-08-05 19:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
TKL HUN wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
ITT;

Valid response, change subject.

New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.

Repeat.

All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.

Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.

Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.

OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled.


I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.


Then why have you failed to explain how PvP was ruined by MB software? Why did you use a PvE experience for an example of PvP?

[quote]
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


A 20 man tornado gang paying for the game how? With real money? Its only pay to win like your 2 accounts are. With ingame money? Now you're bringing PvE directly into it, aren't you.

Make up your mind.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#219 - 2013-08-05 19:54:40 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I see you guys don't really understand what I mean.

Yes, you can look after 4 clients if you have 4 monitor.

But what if I go into the complex with a dps ship, and with a falcon?

He will undock 4 more dps ships, and 6 more guardians, and don't tell me he has 15 monitors, and he can take care of 15 clients.

If someone can buy, and use multiboxing software, then EVE will become a pay to win game, which is sad in my opinion with a 10 year history behind EVE.

...what are you talking about? Undock from where? With what accounts? In what ships? How do you magically ~know~ he has "6 more guardians" and "15 clients"? Does he also dual-box a Titan to cyno all of these magical alts in with?

Most dual-boxers (yourself included) use all available accounts. Dual-boxing alt-escalation is not really a thing because dual-boxing is, by its nature, an already tedious enough task that it's typically done on either a small number of accounts that you alt-tab through or by one guy in twenty of the same ship mashing F1. Neither playstyle involves any sort of deeper meta.

Get your alt in a Falcon, jam his logi, and get yourself some free kills. Killing dual-boxers is infinitely easier than killing real fleets.

He probably has a supercap fleet in case his bridgeing titan jumps instead of bridges.

All for a single complex.

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#220 - 2013-08-05 20:07:39 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
ITT;

Valid response, change subject.

New poster against ISBoxer, see previous answer.

Repeat.

All online video games are pay to win based on PC quality and number of accounts used.

Something within the rules and available to all players is not an advantage.

Money across accounts is an advantage to one account if the money is not evenly distributed, this is accomplished with or without software easily.

OP is about PvE thread title is about PvP, we have all been trolled.


I said it a few times, that I don't care about the PVE and multiboxing relation.


Then why have you failed to explain how PvP was ruined by MB software? Why did you use a PvE experience for an example of PvP?

[quote]
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


A 20 man tornado gang paying for the game how? With real money? Its only pay to win like your 2 accounts are. With ingame money? Now you're bringing PvE directly into it, aren't you.

Make up your mind.


He can't control a 20 man gang without a multiboxing software, so he is paying for one, which can control a 20 man gang for him. If hes paying for 5 accounts, let it be. But that is still an in-game advance. A 3rd party software is not.